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RE: Andalusian Guitars are made in Mexico according to one source
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Tom Blackshear
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ORIGINAL: Deniz
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He smiles alot and it is very apparent all he cares about is teaching, playing music and talking about Andalusian Guitars.
LoL this actually doesnt sound so good as you thought!
But yeah you might be right about him as a person (he probably IS nice), but that is the tragic thing, that he ruins it for himself by having offended the members here and trying to convince everything and everybody of his opinion on Paco and AG.
Btw, sorry, but working in a music store (if its not a flamenco-store) and being knowledgeable on Flamenco guitars are two different things.
I happen to enjoy his playing but don't care much for the sound of his guitars or their non traditional appearance. Just my opinion. And this list is for everyone, novice or pro, and I feel that if he wants to dialog, then fine, but let's show respect for the person's humanity if not for his knowledge. Every dang list I've been on is full of crap in some sense or other, so give the guy a break!
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Date Mar. 9 2010 7:13:38
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RE: Andalusian Guitars are made in M... (in reply to Ricardo)
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so give the guy a break!
Been there, done that....didn't work out. Sorry, no more.
What do you mean you don't like the appearance or sound? They are clearly modeled after Barbero! 
Ricardo, the guitars I've seen him play on the Internet, not Barbero style that I know of, I don't care that much for, with the appearance or sound. I hope this defines it a little better. But I think he has a fair amount of playing potential, just like other players that I see coming along well in the arena of the ART of flamenco. I'm old enough to have been on the cusp of the old school and have seen a lot with most modern school music; Jazzmenco I don't care for, but some new age chords I like very much with a definititive old school, driving emotion and charm. The real fast stuff has to have a break somewhere or it gets to be rather monotonous and boring for me. I hope this answers your question, and a little more. Keep up the great playing.
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Date Mar. 9 2010 13:28:36
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RE: Andalusian Guitars are made in M... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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ORIGINAL: Tom Blackshear
It could be that he is a born teacher, mentally, and he has not arrived there yet with some of his credentials, or as many as you think he should have. This might be a clear reason for helping a person along instead of acting rude. Keep giving him suggestions and if you are insulted with his posts, then the most polite thing to do is not respond, or just say, "I don't agree." To degrade a person's character is not acceptable to me but I will speak out against any system of reference that I don't agree with.
You are a good guy, and have the right intentions. All here would agree with your intent in this thread....but there is much humor going on here that you are not seeing, and only seeing some sort of ridicule of an individual. You are not up to speed on history behind this character and the events up to date, so no one can blame you for not understanding what was going on here. It is quite extensive, and unfortunately much of the event have been deleted from the archives of this site. So no offense, but you simply are commenting and defending person without knowing what happened. I personally don't find the humor of it "fun" anymore, not because it is wrong to have a light hearted "gang up" making fun of someone, but because what I felt the individual in question was and has been doing is very seriously BAD, and recent events have made me really upset about it.
The polite methods you suggest are true, but were all done in the past, with surprising negative results.
My sarcastic comment about Barbero was not fair again to you since you are not aware. The individual selling this guitar, claims and refers to each one of the modern designs as "patterned after" either Barbero, Esteso, Santos, etc....even worse SPECIFIC instruments with dates (see Estevan's post above), as if these copies are capturing spanish guitar building purity and perfection. I hope you can see I was poking fun at the concept, and hope this also reveals a bit of the psychotic mind set we are dealing with here.
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Date Mar. 9 2010 19:36:05
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Andalusian Guitars are made in M... (in reply to estebanana)
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To degrade a person's character is not acceptable to me but I will speak out against any system of reference that I don't agree with.
Tom,
He went after us first. And his advances were derogatory, aggressive and improper.
It's possible to have compassion for a person that you don't want to have in your home. I acknowledge everyone's potential to grow spiritually, intellectually and socially, but I don't have to put up with their **** if they are hurting people and taking advantage of others. You can have compassion for criminals, but you don't have to let them continue to do ill in the world.
As for him being a natural born teacher, I highly doubt it. One of the traits of scam artists, who are usually borderline personalities of varying degrees, is that they are highly charismatic. They usually charm their way through doors and then take advantage of people. Often charismatic figures will only teach beginners because more advanced students will call them out on inconsistentcies. And peer teachers will certainly question methods and integrity. To me at least the thought that a dishonest person is in a position of authority over beginning students is a bit upsetting.
I'm not making fun of this person or making sport of him as some others have done, I'm simply laying it down that if this person is talented and dishonest then it's truly sad. But that does not mean the behavior should be condoned or rewarded.
In response to all of you, I don't know a lot about this thread, from where it started, but I have to respond the way I've been taught and this is not to try and embarrass anyone in public, for it would be as if I killed them.
This is not my requirement for anyone else but myself, so please feel free to respond the way you know is best for your own ideals. I certainly would not disagree with your feelings about it.
My position here is too disagree with certain systems of thought in reference to guitar models that don't necessarily interest me. I know how difficult it is to build a replica of a Barbero; to make it come out with certain articulation for the modern school.
And if there is intended advertising stating that the guitars made in Spain, were actually made in Mexico, then I would want to be sure this is fact, not some hearsay that is traveling around the chat lists, that could potentially hurt someone's reputation.
I know you guys like to kid around on occasion, and I'm not your thought policemen concerning these issues, so just know I love you guys and want the very best for all of the ideas that come through this list. I'm glad we finally have a flamenco dialog. There is a lot of good information here.
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Date Mar. 9 2010 20:27:21
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RE: Andalusian Guitars are made in M... (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
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ORIGINAL: Tom Blackshear
It could be that he is a born teacher, mentally, and he has not arrived there yet with some of his credentials, or as many as you think he should have. This might be a clear reason for helping a person along instead of acting rude. Keep giving him suggestions and if you are insulted with his posts, then the most polite thing to do is not respond, or just say, "I don't agree." To degrade a person's character is not acceptable to me but I will speak out against any system of reference that I don't agree with.
You are a good guy, and have the right intentions. All here would agree with your intent in this thread....but there is much humor going on here that you are not seeing, and only seeing some sort of ridicule of an individual. You are not up to speed on history behind this character and the events up to date, so no one can blame you for not understanding what was going on here. It is quite extensive, and unfortunately much of the event have been deleted from the archives of this site. So no offense, but you simply are commenting and defending person without knowing what happened. I personally don't find the humor of it "fun" anymore, not because it is wrong to have a light hearted "gang up" making fun of someone, but because what I felt the individual in question was and has been doing is very seriously BAD, and recent events have made me really upset about it.
The polite methods you suggest are true, but were all done in the past, with surprising negative results.
My sarcastic comment about Barbero was not fair again to you since you are not aware. The individual selling this guitar, claims and refers to each one of the modern designs as "patterned after" either Barbero, Esteso, Santos, etc....even worse SPECIFIC instruments with dates (see Estevan's post above), as if these copies are capturing spanish guitar building purity and perfection. I hope you can see I was poking fun at the concept, and hope this also reveals a bit of the psychotic mind set we are dealing with here.
Ricardo
Thanks Ricardo, I realize that I'm a little late getting into this thread, so I'll have to agree that everyone here is probably more knowledgeable about this issue than I. But I hold to a certain dialog that doesn't come back and cause me problems, in the mix. If I treat all men with respect, then it turns out better in the end; at least for this lowly guitar maker :-)
Keeping playing in good health.
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Date Mar. 9 2010 20:39:10
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RE: Andalusian Guitars are made in M... (in reply to Grisha)
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ORIGINAL: Grisha
Tom,
No, it was not the language barrier. I just wanted to share a comment that was posted on my Spanish Guitar YouTube video about 3 days ago, but changed my mind. Well, since then the same comment has been posted on all my other videos as well. Here it is:
"Here in YouTube
you can hear some real
flamenco
guitar if you search this:
Chords & compas in Solea por Buleria - Flamenco Guitar Lessons Toronto Royal Conservatory "
I never ever had any contact with Ruben, never posted anything good or bad about him, and never shared my opinion about him, his music or his business with anyone. I think he is a fine guitarist. Why is he having people spam my videos with such comments? Would he like it if I started posting on his videos telling people to go to my channel for the real thing? This is very negative! He must have some sort of mania or something. I feel sorry for him.
Oh! Now I get it :-) I thought he was inviting people to see his work on his website and I didn't understand that it was a competitive comment about your playing/musicianship on your you tube. I thought he or someone else was just saying to take a look at his website for some interesting music.
But then again, it's next to impossible to control what's said on you tube. Some person mentioned to Don Soledad who was playing one of my guitars on you tube; that he had ordered an Aaron Green guitar. Aaron is a good maker and I would not care if this person used Aaron's name on the you tube about me. This is a public domain thing, and I'm not bothered with it.
I think players and makers are always going to have people who think the world of them, so they have to speak loads of hype to help them out. You know what they say, call me anything you want, just call me.
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) printed on it, and the word Modelo, followed by the hand-written Domingo Esteso, 1928. Pretty surprising on a cutaway that didn't seem to have anything to do with Esteso. The only honest part was that the actual year of manufacture was written somewhere too, it was 200-and-something. 
