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Jim Opfer

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How heavy? 
What does your guitar weigh in Kgms?

So, if your're all up for it and have access to kitchen scales, please sit your guitar up there, read off the answer and let me know the weight and make.

Big interest of mine and I'd like to know.

Jim.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 21 2004 16:08:43
 
gerundino63

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Jim Opfer) 
Hi Jim!

My Gerundino, is 1500 gr.
my Juan Lopez Bellido, is 1450 gr. ( Pegghead)

and I have a pegghead from a duch builder, J.J.van Gool 1050 gr.
If you pick that one up, it feels real light!

Do not think there is a lighter one than that one !
if you are interested in a picture of it:
www.guitar.tip50.com

Cheers, Peter!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 21 2004 17:34:07
 
Jim Opfer

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to gerundino63) 
quote:

o not think there is a lighter one than that one !


That's a light guitar ok! How does it sound and play?

My 69' Ramirez peghead weighs 1.150K and it feels light.

I'm just interested to know what all those guitars weigh. It's something that the merchants never state, yet I believe it's very important.

Thanks for your reply.

Jim.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 21 2004 21:04:47
 
Ron.M

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Jim Opfer) 
Jim,
I don't have kitchen scales, (I'm a "proper" cook, so I just "eyeball it" LOL!), so I can't respond to your request unfortunately.
I must admit, that Ramirez of yours is the lightest guitar I've ever held.
Felt like it was built out of Eggshell.
A remarkable instrument.

cheers

Ron

PS (I'm still laughing from that Halloween thing you sent this morning! ....Brilliant!)
Maybe you should post the link....on second thoughts...maybe not...LOL!
Hope you sent one to Rob!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 21 2004 21:23:42
 
gerundino63

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Jim Opfer) 
That Ramirez is a light one too!
I bet it is a joy to play on!

The van Gool is not that good!
Nice sounding, a real blanca, but with a nice warmth in it.
The strings are a little high,so, a little havy playing,but it feels very comfortable, especially when you keep it in the "old style"

here is a site from the guitarbuilder.
www.lutherie-van-gool.nl

Peter.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 21 2004 21:24:58
 
Jon Boyes

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Jim Opfer) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Jim Opfer

What does your guitar weigh in Kgms?


1.325 Kg, Jim. Ricardo Sanchis blanca.

Cheers

Jon
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 24 2004 13:52:53
 
Jim Opfer

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Jon Boyes) 
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1.325 Kg, Jim. Ricardo Sanchis blanca.


Thanks Jon, that's a nice weight.

jim
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 24 2004 15:07:28
 
Graeme

 

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Jim Opfer) 
Hi Jim,
My Burguet 1af is 1.53kg. It appears to be very thickly lacquered which I'm sure makes it less vibrant than I'd like. But I suppose I'm grateful when it gets a knock. I wonder can the finish be a significant contributor to overall weight?
Graeme
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 26 2004 20:04:22
 
Jim Opfer

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Graeme) 
I guess it can Greame, more likely to be factors like;

Thickness of ebony on fingerboard. Lots of makers go for 6mm standard reducing to 5mm but can be 4.5mm reducing to 3mm.

Neck made from Mahogany, normally cedar. Sometimes reinforced with more ebony.

Then there's also;

heavy heal block to add strength but at detriment to weight.
General thickness of all timbers and braces.

I think this is an interesting topic that no one seems to talk about, thus my thread.

Thanks for your response.

Jim.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 26 2004 21:21:47
 
Patrick

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Jim Opfer) 
Jim,

A similar discussion about the weight of the finish on a guitar and its affects was recently brought up on the Acoustic Guitar forum. The consensus was, “no consensus was reached”! The problem is “what type of finish”?

From my experience, the lighter a guitar is built the less sustain its going to have. It’s simply a matter of energy and mass. A heavier object takes more energy to move, but once in motion will remain in motion longer.

I currently have four guitars and one on the way. My Shelton blanca and a blanca I built about 25 years ago are light as a feather and have very short sustain. My Tezanos Perez negra is lighter than most classicals, but much heavier than my blanca’s. It has sustain that rings forever. My Sigurdson negra has less weight than the Tezanos and as expected, less sustain.

Pat
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 26 2004 21:57:30
 
Jim Opfer

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Patrick) 
Hi Pat,

I appreciate your observations.

Thing is, Ive had various guitars, Gerundino, Conde, Maldonado, Stephen Hill, Bernal etc. But it was only when I got my Ramirez that I realise how light weight it was.
It made me wonder, how heavy should a guitar be?

Makers will tell you about the finish, the wood used on the top, the back and sides, the choice of machine heads, or might be you'd like pegs, but they can't tell you how much they design it to weigh.

I'm convinced that there is a right weight. If too heavy, the guitar dies. If too light, it responds as you describe.

My own thinking is that every guitar using standard strings will generate only so much energy, there's probably some way of quantifying the value.
If the guitar is too heavy, it stands to reason that this energy will be swamped to a degree by the mass of the instrument, so there has to be a balance, an optimum weight.

That's why I ask for a range of guitar weights just to see what it throws up.

Cheers
Jim
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 26 2004 22:14:43
 
Jim Opfer

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Patrick) 
quote:

I currently have four guitars and one on the way


Sorry Pat, should have asked, what weight are they?

Jim.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 26 2004 22:18:42
 
gerundino63

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Jim Opfer) 
Hi All!

Perhaps it is nice to know, that the difference in weight between a general set of good pair of peggs and a good pair of tuning mechanisme is about 100 gram.

That will say, the tuning peggs are 100 gram lighter.

Peter

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 26 2004 23:10:35
 
Patrick

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Jim Opfer) 
quote:

Sorry Pat, should have asked, what weight are they?
Jim,

I'll let you know. I'll have to convert from pounds and ounces. The only thing we weigh in the US in Kgms is drugs!

Pat
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 27 2004 18:30:21
 
Jim Opfer

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Patrick) 
quote:

The only thing we weigh in the US in Kgms is drugs!


Pat, forget the kgs, just give it to me in drugs
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 27 2004 21:51:21
 
Patrick

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RE: How heavy? (in reply to Jim Opfer) 
quote:

Pat, forget the kgs, just give it to me in drugs


LOL As the comedian George Carlen once said, "The only drug problem I have is, I can't buy any!"

http://www.georgecarlin.com/
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