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RE: who is behind "Andalusian Guitars" ?
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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 RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to Arash)
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just want to add one thing, before leaving this thread forever (edit: hmm, i think i will still stay for a while lol)
this thing about the flaws and defects is ridiculous.
i have a 300 euro factory made guitar here (made by Saez , model 22) with perfect drilling, perfect distance between the strings and perfect......simply everything which you professor critisized on other guitars in his videos.
even my yamaha CG171SF had no such defects and flaws, and it was a 300 Euro guitar too.
sorry about your Conde.
so the fact that your professor wants to imply that all other guitars have some defects, just Andalusian Guitars don't ist just absurd and laughable. he must assume that we are all idiots. i guess many luthiers are laughing their a... off, when watching those videos.
now only thing remains is just playability and sound:
- sound: judging by the videos, the Andalusian Guitars sound CRAP ! imo. they are just loud, nothing special.
i would prefer many guitars from many other makers over those any day. even in the videos from Prof, i found some of those other guitars (those with the defects), sounded better than Andalusian Guitars :)
i would prefer a $1000 Sanchis Lopez over any of those Andalusian Guitars any day
and if i want to buy a good mexican guitar, i go to Salvador Castillo or Francisco Navarro, i go to their workshop, say hello to the luthier and let them make me a great guitar, sign it, etc.
they have nothing to hide ! (like your Professor, or the Guitar makers who work for him!)
for sure i won't buy one of these Andalusian Guitars made by some unknown mysterious luthiers (who are probably some Slaves of Prof. Ruben, kept quite with a adhesion contract, caged in a workshop in Hawai or something )
- playability: not discussible through videos
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however, as mentioned, all these points are IRRELEVANT.
Main Subject was:
- Shady business Tactics
- Antisocial behaviour towards other Flamencos in the past, before your professor left this forum
- Many wrong information provided
- Fake Prof. Title, etc.
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now you can continue adoring your mexican guitar god.
i am finished with both of you 
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Date Feb. 6 2010 4:10:11
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XXX
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RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to amirdeiran)
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I agree about the business tactics of Andalusian guitars, but lets not be hypocrite and critisize also other "brands" for not naming the builder, advertising wrongly ("selected by Tomatito") etc...
my 2c: What i like about the guitar testing videos is that you can decide yourself which guitar you like. I assume we all know what kind of sound we are after, so we can choose to like it or not. Some of the things he says make sense, wrong distances ARE a defect imo. Other things like the reverse stringing i tried and didnt like it. Most of the stuff he says i knew already, but if i would be a complete beginner, these videos would have helped me much.
Let me make clear, not talking here about business policies. But i honestly trust him when he says he wants to enlighten people. All the teaching videos he shared cant be worth nothing. After all i consider him an authority, a teacher of flamenco guitar. I dont mind the talking about Paco inventing the negra etc. I have heard that rumor one or two times, from people who are not at all Paco fans. Its just talking about history, and i am not interested in such because i just want to become a good player, not a historian.
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Date Feb. 6 2010 5:03:28
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XXX
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RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to Mike_Kinny)
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Why should it bother me, as a student of guitar, if he is/was a genuine disciple of PDL, or whether PDL likes his guitars etc..? We all know these things are business things, just like advertising you guitar with Tomatito etc. Besides im not even interested in learning "PDL's technique", just "flamenco technique" is enough. Sorry, but even if Paco would highly recommend him or his guitars, it simply boils down to whether I, as a student, think that he is a good teacher or not. So, if he says the opposite it doesn't effect my decision either.
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Date Feb. 6 2010 6:14:03
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XXX
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RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to Arash)
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ORIGINAL: Arash
@deniz,
the point is, that those are not fair "guitar testing videos". just hidden advertising for a single brand, by badmouthing all the others.
how come that there is not one single other guitar in the 15 videos (except Andalusian Guitars) which is not somehow crap in the eyes of the professor ?
and who said that wrong distances are not a defect?
of course those are defects. like some other defects which he mentioned.
but what Prof. is implying, is that most guitars out there have all these defects (except his guitars of course) this is simply not true. most expensive guitars don't have such defects. even many cheap guitars don't have such defects. i just measured all these details on my guitars (different price classes). all perfect.
regarding other brands: i think we had about 1000 threads regarding the business policy of Conde for instance.
I guess 50% or more of the people here in the foro hate Conde because of that reason, for instance. and thats ok.
we can discuss it. i experienced that first-hand.
So it is not hyprcrite if we also have one thread for Andalusian Guitars!
specially considering all the other things happened in the past.
oh and no other brand made such videos like Prof.
and regarding "good teacher": well, maybe you don't care about the person behind lessons, as long as he plays good and as long as you can suck some info and some falsetas out of his videos, etc.
i simply can't even watch this guy anymore after all the BS he talked here and elsewhere about many people, from which some of them are helping us here in the foro since YEARS for free.
and this amir guy was simply the icing on the cake.
You definitely have some valid points. I dont like the badmouthing about other guitars too. But really, you have EARS you can just watch the video and judge YOURSELF. Dont have to believe anything he says there.
I dont care too much about this subject, but i just think that its not that black and white. Even if i seem to be the only one who thinks like that here 
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Date Feb. 6 2010 11:47:31
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