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RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to Patrick)
I appreciate Deniz comment, and as he says who can deny the knowledge players get from his public video lessons (more than 200),and I also agree that he is enlightening people, Deniz is also right that the interest should be on learning guitar and not in other business and political or commercial issues.
Out of my teacher generosity I learned some great things about guitar and guitars, that no one else gave me in 20 years of experience in Spain even…I accept what he teach and I have to say that you are very wrong if you think maestro Ruben is trying to sell something…he is definitively not, he doesn’t need that at all, I know him well.
All what he is teaching FOR FREE, what he teaches for free, others could not even in dreams possibly teach in any other way, that’s why they are angry with him, because he is generous and don’t need to do business out of that.
As far as the against-party is concerned:
When they would be able to teach on such a wide variety and quality of subjects on flamenco guitar like he does, then I will accept their arguments otherwise their cartoons just convince me about how empty they are on guitar…
Here is the example and evidence of quality and generosity that speaks for itself, anyone with a good heart will realize this fact
here you have more than 200 video lessons for free… this is just a small part of what he can teach… and he has other 1000 videos on his private channel.
I visit this forum not with the intention to offend you guys… I am a positive person and, I do not like useless battles.
If after seeing & hearing all this lessons with an OPEN MIND, still you are not convinced, then there is nothing else I can say or do to convince you.
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RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to amirdeiran)
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I have to say that you are very wrong if you think maestro Ruben is trying to sell something…he is definitively not, he doesn’t need that at all, I know him well
Really? In my opinion...
1. Posting free lessons (generous as that may be), whilst slagging off all other guitars and promoting a specific brand without declaring one's personal interest in that brand might not be the best idea.
2. Alienating a significant flamenco guitar forum on the Internet cannot help. If I type "Andalusian Guitars" into Google, this thread already appears on the first page; much more discussion and it will be on top.
pd: Just in case you need this arguments(I hope not) I suggest you to please disregard any envious remarks, politics and/or rumours about AG that unscrupulous persons are making these days because, as you know Andalusian Guitars ARE the guitars of the moment.
And this is what has caused the envy of those poor hearted fellows:
RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to amirdeiran)
I'm not a lawyer (so take this with a pinch of salt) but from previous encounters I can tell you that the country of hosting server and domain registration service is the jurisdiction of a website. If somebody is too stubborn he might be able to involve the country of residence of the owner of the website too. However proxy registrations make it more difficult.
Furthermore they normally begin with a cease and desist letter, meaning they send a letter from an attorney asking you to remove the offending material from your website. If that doesn't help they send that letter to the hosting company and the domain registration company.
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RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to XXX)
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What i like about the guitar testing videos is that you can decide yourself which guitar you like. I assume we all know what kind of sound we are after, so we can choose to like it or not
How is that? How can you if it is some else is playing the guitar, deliberately in a way so you can't tell? I mean the way he wacks the G string like a mamon. That is a guitar "test" of tone?? I can play a Santos Hernandez like **** on a video, and a yamaha with everything I got if I wanted. A video like this shows nada.
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Some of the things he says make sense,
No, only one thing I saw, In all the 1000 vids. That is flamencos usually have a lower bridge then classicals. That is the only thing makes sense to me. String spacing thing I never noticed, and is a minor thing for technique. Machine built guitars, I can imagine, should be more precise then hand built guitars, but I don't care either way. very minor thing compaired to say ACTION.
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But i honestly trust him when he says he wants to enlighten people.
No disagreement there.
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All the teaching videos he shared cant be worth nothing.
No comment, except, there are better vids on the same subjects.
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After all i consider him an authority, a teacher of flamenco guitar.
I don't. Look at his vid of accompaning cante....or la Estiba with wrong fingerings, etc etc...Mediteranean sundance all wrong for god's sake???
The guy needs to go to Spain and take some classes before acting like such an authority. He is a Paco worshiper fine, but authority on flamenco, not really. I tried to point out some faults in his concept when he first arrived and he flipped out. What kind of authority on anything does that???
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I dont mind the talking about Paco inventing the negra etc. I have heard that rumor one or two times, from people who are not at all Paco fans. Its just talking about history, and i am not interested in such because i just want to become a good player, not a historian.
Regarding history, I doubt that some old time players such as Melchor or Pepe martinez used a negra (on occasion) because some young upstart "invented" the idea of using one (on occasion).
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RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
I tried to point out some faults in his concept when he first arrived and he flipped out. What kind of authority on anything does that???
I exactly remember this.
His reaction was not any valid argumentation, but simply something like: "go and teach to your students, you have no idea about anything" or something like that, and then you didn't say anything, but just ignored him.
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Ruben was welcomed warmly here in the foro. Everyone (me included) was happy at the beginning that a good guitarist joined us, etc. I was excited too, like great ! learning some Paco de Lucia stuff, etc.
And then, within few days, he simply ruined everything himself, so sad
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RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to Arash)
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i recommand GJ Michelob as lawyer by the way.
I would not recommend speculating on the rights and obligations arising from the use and misuse of the internet without consulting the necessary recourses and reliable opinions regarding international jurisdictions.
Although I have the disagreeable feeling that you are mocking me, Arash, please know that I have advised a number of members on this forum about a variety of problems they felt the need to submit to me. I have always done so gratuitously, yet as if resolving my own most immediate concern.
On this particular subject, if you –the membership at large- care for the welfare of this forum, I recommend that we all observe a few basic rules:
Indeed, express your opinion, because that is what freedom of speech protects. In my view, these posts are consumers’ or prospective consumers’ reviews, and are offered in response to a commercial solicitation. Therefore are privileged forms of speech, immune to claims. However, should any post exceed that often blurry boundary between fact and opinion, make sure the facts you report and share are well researched and can be readily ascertained to be accurate and truthful. Do not be upset in the unlikely and regretful event the ForoFlamenco’s administration should delete your post should it determine that it is maliciously offensive.
However yet, my opinion from a purely affectionate perspective, is this: we love this wonderful site and certainly do not tolerate anyone dumping trash on it. Let us not match the quality of that rubbish.
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RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to Arash)
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oh no, sorry for my weird humor. really really i wasn't mocking you. why should i ? you were always a gentleman, to me and to everyone else.
what i meant was actually that you wouldn't be a good lawyer for the other side , anyway sorry for misunderstanding
The sentiment is mutual, Arash, and am grateful you found time at 2AM (?) to clarify my misunderstanding. I obviously had missed a witty remark (sorry).
A question I need to ask, about the subject matter, does anyone here own an “Andalusian Guitar”?
And if not, is any of those adamant supporters who are keenly promoting them, or their distributor, willing to submit one for our inspection and review? I will gladly organize to have our finest luthiers and musicians on the forum examine it and play it in order to share their reviews.
Thus far, it seems that we (the palatable community of potential buyers) have received unsolicited publicity for a new product incidental to the specific scope of our discussions. However, any fair request for further information has been defensively rejected as if made in provocation or affront, and met with an iron-curtain of dogmatic secrecy.
An appeal and warning to anyone who wishes to promote their guitars, music or other product on this forum. We –if I may speak for the community- welcome the introduction of products, novelties and even miracles. However, before we buy any, true to the purpose of this forum, we like to discuss, examine and be persuaded. This is not simply our right, as consumers, but truly a duty, which this forum helps us exercise and share in the best interest of consumers like us, for the avoidance of misrepresentations and fraud which are often perpetrated on the internet.
While we exercise this right conscientiously, we ask that sellers/promoters who open a thread on this forum be prepared to address our queries, as we do not enjoy any ride that any unreferenced seller may offer to take us for.
RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to gj Michelob)
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However yet, my opinion from a purely affectionate perspective, is this: we love this wonderful site and certainly do not tolerate anyone dumping trash on it. Let us not match the quality of that rubbish.
RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to amirdeiran)
All I know is that those guitars play and sound great(FYI: I work in a music store and consider myself a semi-expert in musical instrument timbre, playability and construction)
Ruben is very friendly in person and very dedicated to his students and his musical pursuits. (yes I am one of his students and yes I own one of his guitars.)
I have been studying with him for just a couple of months and am very pleased with his teaching abilities. He is always so encouraging with me and patient too.
To debate and argue is one thing to mock is another...I have browsed this forum over the period of a couple years. It sort of shames me that my first post is to try to promote peace.
I did not intend to take sides or anything like that. Nor did I read all of the thread but lets just have fun and chill!
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RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to jaggedsphere)
Welcome to the forum! We are always glad to have new members to share with and learn from. You will like it here, there are lots of good people who have a passion for learning about and playing flamenco. We also are a large group with lots of different experiences and background. Some know lots and some know little. Some like to joke and some are always moody. Having fun and chilllin is ok.
RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to amirdeiran)
Question for Amir - is it you?: http://www.youtube.com/user/amirflamenco#p/u/3/0x4Wt0LCgp0 If so, you really gotta forget about "Andalusian guitars" because this guitar sounds better than any guitar on Ruben's videos. Or if you are so unhappy about defects just trade it to me (seriously) for ANY "Andalusian" model.
RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to amirdeiran)
Rather than argue about the intentions of other forum members, lets try to see what we can discover about the interesting and modern design features of the guitar brand which is the focus of this thread.
Question: what other builders are there who have used such low profile bridge design?
Anyway if you play for 2000 people like my teacher here http://****/rdvideo160.html I give you that Conde for free. Jaque!! (seriously as you said…)
but…lets talk of something more realistic, maybe…
If you like that Conde, I give you the guitar (or to whoever can play the following picado pattern) that is, if you can play in a video this picado exercise, http://****/rdvideo168.html lets see what the great tourist authority figures in the forum can really do when it comes to facts…
-same metronome speed, 4 minor melodic fingerings 12/10 times each etc-
So I give you and/or to any other great player in the forum 3 days to show me, and the “flamenco world” your great picado skills and authority, knowledge about what is flamenco guitar etc, by playing this “simple” example.
If you show me the video playing exactly as my teacher did here,I give you the guitar Ok?,this is your chance!
Come on that’s an easy task for anyone in this wise and authoritative forum…isn’t it?
I think that’s Jaque Mate!...
On Wednesday we will confirm what’s authority, and what’s just bluff. or rather we will confirm that:
There are two kinds of people
People that really do things and people that talks about those who really do things…
RE: who is behind "Andalusian G... (in reply to amirdeiran)
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ORIGINAL: amirdeiran I am not that person in youtube thanks to heaven…
Why are you offending a random guy that just plays on YouTube?? Besides he plays very well. Just to get this straight: I am in no agreement with your advertisement posts and "discussion" style. I dont know you or anything, but it is easy to see that this behaviour will only harm you in the long run. Same goes for the Prof.
Come on,.. Diaz is playing along with the original. Thats fakeing. Every playalong gets pushed by the original. He should play without the original in the background. Than we talk again.
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Maybe you simply meant to say "I confirm and certify that" 
I can play a Santos Hernandez like **** on a video, and a yamaha with everything I got if I wanted. A video like this shows nada. 
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