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RE: **CANTE CHALLENGE ENTRIES**
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Anders Eliasson
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 RE: **CANTE CHALLENGE ENTRIES** (in reply to Florian)
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Ha ha ha... You´re SUCH A BAD LOOSER. With your ways of accepting being second last, you shouldn´t compete.
Btw. Why do you analyzise Piranha when discussing with me. I wasnt Piranha. You are welcome to analyse, take apart my entry. Basically do what ever you like.... Tell me that my playing sucks etc. I dont care. If it came from someone I respected, I would take it serious, but from you, I´ll just laugh. hahaha
And another thing dude. There are no correct chords in flamenco and your whole crusade about the right chords is completely irrelevant. Flamenco is partly modal and definately not 100% harmonic, meaning that if the singer puts emphasis on a c note playing por medio. You dont have to play a C chord. A lot of the very best accompanying guitarists dont do so.
The judges didn´t like my C/B in the cambio and wanted a C7. Fair enough, I´ll try to remember that and correct a bad habit.
I personally dont like when flamenco is being played to harmonic with a lot of chord changes. In my ears it takes away what I like in flamenco, its modal roots. Fortunately I´m living in a place where flamenco is very much alive and where the singers DONT like to many "correct" chords
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Last challenge, the Ardilla one, you were even worse. You had the guts to say that Todd, who won, had cheated. You really goofed it that day and showed how "nice" a person you are. You just dont enter a competition and start saying that the winner is a cheater. Its the lowest we´ve been on the foro
hey man i said i would stop posting now why dont you back off making personal caracter calls on me..i havent made any on you..that incident didnt just happen out of the blue it eventuated from something..i said something (wasent meant the way he took it) .. then he said something then i said something and it turned into an argument....i am by no means innocent and perhaps shouldnt have said what i said but i am also not the evil guy you dare to try to imply
where do you get the nerve to discuss me when i am discussing/disagreeing flamenco subjects..
yes i argue...i didnt wanna argue i tried to discuss it but defencive people like you turned it into an argument..if you disagree with me by all means discuss the topic..but you are the one that keeps deviating from the subject and making it about me, i have not gotten angry, or gotten personal with anyone on this thread or staarted throwing personal insults to anyone..
you are the one that is making caracter calls on me
you didnt get alot of chords and you placed 4th
this is not even a question of opinion or taste its the wrong freaking chords all togheder..so yeah excuse me if that curled up my shorts a litlle and wanted to discuss it...its not a tantrum its the wrong freaking chords ..and this was beeing generous and not focusing too much on all the small details
Piranha
00:39 wrong chord
00:49 wrong chord
00:12 wrong chord
00:32 wrong chord
01: 44 wrong chord
01:45 missed change
02:33 wrong chord
i havent even gotten to the second letra, this was just the salida and 1st letra or am not even talking about phrasing or compas in a cante challenge where the right chords should be the first freaking thing judged and we are all acting like its a litlle thing..its a freaking huge thing...providing you not terribly out of compas is THE THING ...everything else is second....nothing else equals it, no rasqueado, no personal preference on sound, no personal style , no personal preference...the others are important too but none match it in importance
my playing wasent all i wished it was either but dude if...at the most i got a couple of wrong chords.....this is why i wanted to discuss ...not cause its a tantrum cause you playd the wrong chords in a cante accomp challenge aand i didnt wanna make it about you specifically but like you say its been too much about me and you havent had a chance to discuss it...cause i have apparently been holding your hand and you couldnt discuss it..
this is not like any other challenge..its not a solo challenge or a question of taste
or style or preference....the right chords is undeniably the most important aspect of this challenge
so dont act like i did it for no reason and its always about me or i am just looking for arguments..its not an opinion its a fact ...you got just as many wrong chords as you got right..
the audio is there for anyone to hear.....now excuse me if that crawled up my shorts a litlle bit and wanted to discuss it further...and i even droped it 4 days ago, deleted my posts and bited my tongue on the topic... but then you had to get personal with me and assume to know my character when i was arguing the topic not the person...
i dont care much weather you aprove of me or not i keped my personal feelings on you to myself...and dont throw my past in my face i have taken and given just as much...
if hearing the wrong chords in a cante acompanyament competition and asking what i consider to be a prety unavoidable question...."how on f*king earth ?"..makes me childish well then i guess i have been
And to repeat myself: I will not participate or judge in a challenge where you are participating... The last two challenges wher you have participated, your whole behavior has been so low, accusing each and everyone (translate: winner, cheating, judges being bad) for whatever wasnt in your favor. Its completely far out and you shouldnt participate in challenges untill you´ve learned to respect the other participants and the judges who are taking their time to listen and judge yours and others entries.
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Date Oct. 18 2009 0:58:33
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: **CANTE CHALLENGE ENTRIES** (in reply to JasonMcGuire)
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OK, I HAVE TAKEN MY DESCISSION
After having thought things over, a few pm´s etc I´ve take a descission. I will post it here, because I think its the right place to do so. This thread is already totally out of line:
I will have nothing to do with Florian on this forum for a while, I will not reply to his posts and will not comment on his ways of doing things. It will be more or less the relationship that Florian has with Todd. I hope Florian will accept this deal and leave me, my guitars, my playing, my soundports, my dog, my canoe etc in peace.
I´m doing this for two reasons, 1) my own membership of the forum is in danger. I dont think this is fun and its not worth it. 2) Hopefully it will mean that the forum will be a better place. I kow that I throw dirt as well. I just get so pissed of when someone is so disrespectfull towards the rest of members.
Also. I wrote "for a while". This because I hope that one day this will be a parentesis and that Florian and I will get along again. This also saying that I´m totally against banning any members.
Well thats it
Anders
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Date Oct. 18 2009 2:04:59
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: **CANTE CHALLENGE ENTRIES** (in reply to JasonMcGuire)
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Deniz.
I´m glad you came back to the root of this thread. The Cante challenge entrys.
How many wrong chords were played. I mean A, Bb, Gmin, A7, Dmin for the letras and C7, F for the cambio... They can be played in many ways and if the singers accept it, it should be considered correct, no?
I personally didn´t hear so many wrong chords. I heard other things like to static playing (me and others) and playing against the singer (no name mentioned)
I agree that there are many different ways of playing and it was more or less what I stated myself. Here it can be accepted and appreciated to play with very few chords if the rest is good. Compás, soniquete, dynamics, playing with the singer etc.
Maybe it would be a good idea to open a new thread concerning a beginners cante challenge instead of discussing it here. I could imagine that there are members not following this thread for various reasons.
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