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Ron.M
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 RE: singer versus finger (in reply to at_leo_87)
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had a friend who once when he ordered icecream, talked very fast until he hit the word "raspberry." then he took his time to pronounce, "rasPpp...Berree." everyone looked at him, laughed, and said, "you mean 'raz-berry?"
A French guy (a language lecturer actually) said that this is what made English so difficult to learn as you cannot depend on "rules" as there are so many exceptions.
So you really have to learn each word at a time with regard to spelling, pronunciation and meaning.
eg.... bough, tough, though, thought, through...etc
along with...bow or bow (and arrow), taught or taut (tight), through or threw....etc
It really is a MESS!! 
cheers,
Ron
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Date Jun. 11 2009 6:46:31
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NormanKliman
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RE: singer versus finger (in reply to Ron.M)
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I'm interested to know if anyone here pronounces "singer" with a hard "g" as in the word "finger".
I don't pronounce them the same way nor do most people I know, but I've heard them both pronounced the "lazy" way.
In my opinion, it doesn't sound good to pronounce "finger" the lazy way (should be a bit more of the g in there), it's acceptable in "singer," and "sing-ger" just sounds uptight and pretentious.
Just in case you're interested and didn't know this, what's really going on there is that the "n" is being pronounced with the back of the tongue, rather than the tip, because of the following letter. There's a technical term for it that I don't remember right now, but pronunciation changes like that, and sometimes consonants are affected.
Although Spanish is widely held (especially by Spaniards) to be written as it's pronounced and vice-versa, it's also subject to this kind of deformation. For example, the n in "ángel" is pronounced with the back of the tongue, and some people even pronounce the n in "pan" that way, so it sounds like "pang."
The sound has its own phonoetic symbol: ŋ
How's that for sounding uptight and pretentious?
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Date Jun. 12 2009 2:46:15
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NormanKliman
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RE: singer versus finger (in reply to Estevan)
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Hi Estevan,
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Norman, is that how they talk in the Cadiz area?
Not really. I used to hear "pang" once in a while in Madrid, but I got the vague and unfounded impression that it might have come from one of Spain's northern communities (Castilla-León). Definitely a "village" thing. Then again, when most people say "pan con..." they're probably going to pronounce that first n as /ŋ/, just because of that c in the next word. Fussier speakers (anyone familiar with the actor José Sazatornil?) would not approve.
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whereas in the highlands the accent is very different, and reflects the pronunciation of an an earlier period of Spanish
Yeah, I heard that in places where people come and go (commerce, maritime traffic, etc.) the language is more likely to change, and in places that are hard to reach (mountain villages) the language is less likely to evolve. The example I heard was that in Puerto Rico the Spanish is more modern, but in parts of Mexico they use words and constructions that go back centuries. I don't think that what I read was a very reliable source of information, but that always made sense to me.
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Some black Americans, too. In my last post, I was going to say something about the relationship between "lazy" speech patterns and undereducated communities, but that's a delicate and complicated subject, and I wouldn't want to be misinterpreted as defending elitism or racism (or even hard or soft g-ism for that matter, just to be on the safe side... 
