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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 31 2003 3:00:35

Paul Bruhns

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RE: Mario Escudero better than Sabicas (in reply to Guest)

Andy:

I listened to the Solea por cante and Alegria por cante, and I agree his compas is something to study. His mechanical techniques are flawless, and he doesn't fall into doing things in a repetative way, such as a certain rasgueado, or tremelo... if that makes sense? In other words, he does what the piece requires, without a lot of flash.

But, I also listened to his Siguiryas por solo, and I thought it was too mechanical? Maybe that was a thing of the times, i.e., back in the day? It didn't seem to hang in the air enough for me. Still, I enjoyed listening to it, and I especially liked the introduction, it was kind of a contra-introduction, I thought... rather than slamming the A- Chord for 30 seconds, as most intros go in Siguiryas, he kind of flowed into the B-Flat... and I was like, wow, surprise... this is Siguiryas! Nice.

Now, the Sabicas comment? I think they are different, so I could not say one is better than the other

Good link too by the way, thanks

Paul

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 31 2003 14:34:46

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 31 2003 14:49:39

Jim Opfer

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RE: Mario Escudero better than Sabicas (in reply to Guest)

Andy,
Nice selection. I liked the 'Solea de Triana' best although it caves a bit into musicallity at the end with the finish on 6, Great Playing!
The first flamenco album I bought back in the late 60's was "Nino de Alicante and his troupe" I don't have it anymore, got lost in a house move somewhere along the line! The track I remember was a solo Granaina and I'm sure it's the same as the one you've posted. 'Nino', of course being Mario.
There's something fantastic about his percussive playing and that great alzapua. I'ts a bit foggy between Mario and Sabicas, just who composed what, but I have to conclude that I prefer Sabicas' tone, a bit less flamenco and less raw than Mario but none the less genius.
On the sound in the recordings, I wonder how much of this is to do with 'Gut' strings? Have you tried them?
Jim.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 31 2003 17:13:39

Jim Opfer

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RE: Mario Escudero better than Sabicas (in reply to Guest)

Andy,
I've never used gut strings but I often wondered about them. They're still available but very expensive. I must have missed out on earlier posts but who's Vicky and who's her mum? I'm sure I saw ' Blood and Sand' at least I recognise the title!
She sounds like a lady with lots of stories?
Cheers
Jim.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2003 13:32:39

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RE: Mario Escudero better than Sabicas (in reply to Guest)

Cool.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2003 19:55:31

steenland

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RE: Mario Escudero better than Sabicas (in reply to Guest)

Andy B:

Having heard numerous recordings of both, it is really hard to say who is better.
Believe most knowledgable pople would rate Sabicas ahead of Mario Escuderro.

Recuerdos,

T. J. Steenland

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2003 20:04:44

TANúñez

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RE: Mario Escudero better than Sabicas (in reply to steenland)

Steenland where have you been man? Haven't seen you around lately. I've finally decided to get together with Miguel Antonio for some lessons. Will be meeting with him for the first time tomorrow.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2003 20:28:34

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: Mario Escudero better than Sabicas (in reply to steenland)

T.J.;

Good to see you! I thought you got lost.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2003 22:48:15

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 2 2003 2:35:02

TANúñez

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RE: Mario Escudero better than Sabicas (in reply to Guest)

Isn't Escudero in a home now in Florida? That's if he's still around. I had heard he devoloped Alzheimers (sp?)

I never knew Paco learned from Escudero. I knew he originally was from the Niño Ricardo school and later took the advise of Sabicas but never knew he took lessons from Escudero. That is interesting. I have to go back and listen to that Bulerias on the first album.

How is everything up in your neck of the woods Andy?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 2 2003 3:25:22

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RE: Mario Escudero better than Sabicas (in reply to TANúñez)

To: El Zurdo (Tom Nunez)

Have been to the flamenco guitar workshop at Institute of Spanish Arts instructed
by Chuscales (Jose Valle Fajardo).

This is really Nuevo Flamenco with jazz falsetas etc. Most of the students were more
advanced and seemed to be able to watch Chuscales play and then play it back.
Nothing was written. He did allow me to take some videos of him playing and also
taped sessions. After review may find out what he is doing. Also one of the students who is also an instructor promised to make transcriptions. My main interest at this time is traditional flamenco.

Have met both Mario Escudero and Sabicas at the American Institute of Guitar in NYC.
They were cousins. Sabicas's mother was related to Ramon Montoya. Met Miguel
Antonio (Michael Anthony Tolley) at the Mexican Restaurant, La Rosa a number of years ago, where he was playing.

Have a copy of Panaderos Flamencos by El Nino de Sanlucar (Esteban Delagado), transcribed by Jerry Lodbill.

Recuerdos,

T. J. Steenland

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 2 2003 4:37:06