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Florian -> Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 3:20:58)

The Winner recives 3 Months Free account to Jason McGuire's http://www.flamenco-lessons.com/

In addition the Winner of this Group may chose any of the Cejilas (plus postage)
from La Falseta Cejilas


2nd Place of this group also Recives 1 Month Free account at http://www.flamenco-lessons.com/


Good luck [;)]

The tablature...the book is hand written so if you dont understand the handwritting anywhere ask..

Page 1
Page 2
Page 3
Page 4

the AudioNormal Speed


Deadline is 2nd March

All the Entries to be Emailed here atleast one day before the deadline gjc@corradomontgomery.com
The Audio is in Mp3 format normal settings 128kpbs/ 44100 Hz

This is your thread so feel free to ask..compare notes, whatever regarding the challenge..


Have fun


So that we have an idea on the kind of numbers we are dealing with in each class can you please post on this thread and let us know that you intend to take the challenge in this class..

This is the Audio Slowed down



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 3:25:14)

This is the buleria at normal speed with counting...for those who need it..(its my voice so no jokes [&:] i was runnig out of breath in places ..hard work counting nonstop lol)


thats it ...you guys have everything you need



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 4:07:54)

i remember a while back i did a slow buleria compas loop with counting for someone...can they please upload it here...might be usefull..

i need to practice a litlle



Francisco -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 5:29:50)

Awesome! Thanks for counting it out. Definitely need it! Gracias, amigo.



mrMagenta -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 5:52:06)

page 3 and 4 are offline. it says: yahoo service temporarily down

I would join this challenge, but I'm already familiar with this Herrero piece. Perhaps I'll try the intermediate.. (gulp)

small detail: I noticed he does a golpe which isn't marked in the tab, it's on beat 3, measure 6 on page 3.



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 5:59:15)

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page 3 and 4 are offline. it says: yahoo service temporarily down


keep trying ...it always does that but it eventually comes back...when u get it save it on your hard drive..

quote:

small detail: I noticed he does a golpe which isn't marked in the tab, it's on beat 3, measure 6 on page 3.


i havent looked at it..i spent hours trying to fix the writting up...its a really confusing way the way he writes his tab...the numbers that make up the tab chords werent exactly underneath eachother...hes got some weird style of writing ...looked more like arrpegio than chords...took me ages to try and line em up...it unecesarrely looked more complicated than it needed too.

hopefully others will see your note..

quote:

Awesome! Thanks for counting it out. Definitely need it! Gracias, amigo.


You are welcome [;)] i thought it might come in handy expecially for members new to bulerias



xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 6:38:00)

having seen you play before i'd say you're definitely up to the intermediate challenge, don't be shy :)



Exitao -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 7:38:36)

Hmmmm...

Question:

You don't mention it and I'm not sure how you measure it as a judge, or how much leeway we have...

The "normal" recording is 208bpm, so this is what we aim for, I suppose (I've never played that fast [&o] ).

Can you make us an "official" palmas/compas track?
I mean, considering it's a set piece, with a set bpm, we don't need a loop (but it would be useful to have one for practice anyway), a compas track that finishes when we should finish might be a good idea...



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 7:43:59)

quote:

You don't mention it and I'm not sure how you measure it as a judge, or how much leeway we have...

The "normal" recording is 208bpm, so this is what we aim for, I suppose (I've never played that fast ).

Can you make us an "official" palmas/compas track?
I mean, considering it's a set piece, with a set bpm, we don't need a loop (but it would be useful to have one for practice anyway), a compas track that finishes when we should finish might be a good idea...



sure why not...i wil provide a official compas track for practice atleast...those that know how to and wanna use it for the final Entry can do so



Exitao -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 7:54:45)

Je. Just burn it to a CD and play it in the background?



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 8:04:43)

Heres a loop you can use approx the same speed ...if you use this and play it correctly to it you would infact get more swing then the original audio..

this is the exact same legth as your challenge

You can chose to use this in your final upload or do it without...up to you guys


quote:

Just burn it to a CD and play it in the background?


U can do it that way...ideally you wanna use it in a multitrack...that way its nice and clear and perfect quality as you hear it now...without the room reverb...

but thats a whole other thread[:D]...you can do it your way too



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 9:31:39)

Please save this as soon as you see it...sometimes that website goes offline so you can just help eachother out iuf someone needs it..






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Exitao -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 9:45:39)

In this last post of yours, are these the same jpg files as in the 1st post?



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 9:45:51)

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Please save this as soon as you see it...sometimes that website goes offline so you can just help eachother out iuf someone needs it..


These links are dead already.



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 9:47:00)

quote:

In this last post of yours, are these the same jpg files as in the 1st post?


The first links are unavailable, too.



Florian -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 9:53:16)

quote:

In this last post of yours, are these the same jpg files as in the 1st post?



yes they are

they are working for me right now[8|]



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 9:53:31)

I checked a few minutes later and the images loaded. Thanks for all of your effort, Flo.



rombsix -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 10:36:19)

Theoretically, count me in! If I get too overwhelmed with studies, is it OK to just NOT submit my MP3? [:D]



Ailsa -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 10:38:58)

Ramzi you could play the beginners one standing on your head! You are def intermediate. At least![:)]



El Camino -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 10:41:22)

Thanks for this Florian

Im in when i get the tabs to work.

I am just starting to learn basic Buleria so this is just what i need.

Cheers Tom.



Pgh_flamenco -> Recording Advice (Jan. 27 2009 10:45:06)

Any suggestions regarding inexpensive recording equipment, software, how to edit, how to record one track while playing the compas track, etc.?



Ailsa -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 10:59:26)

Tabs are down again and have been for the last hour. I reckon the site is jammed by hundreds of flamenco guitar students all round the world downloading them to join in the challenge [:D][:D][:D]



Florian -> RE: Recording Advice (Jan. 27 2009 11:02:50)

quote:

Theoretically, count me in! If I get too overwhelmed with studies, is it OK to just NOT submit my MP3?


yeah thats cool...do what you can


quote:

Any suggestions regarding inexpensive recording equipment, software, how to edit, how to record one track while playing the compas track, etc.?


[:D] i feel gulty cause i just brushed you off before when u asked...is just so much to it lol...

There is probably some free software out there...maybe some members here can suggest some to you....or some trial software that will have a multytrack option and let you record for this challenge...( I use cool edit pro for multi track..its simple, and probabably not that expensive )

that means that you can play one track and at the same time record on the other...(your soundcard has to support it...i cant remember the term they use...Duplex ?)

but if u have an half decent soundcard it should

Aside from that you need a microphone ..Depends on what you want but theres all kinds of good mics ranging from cheap to expensive..(maybe some experts could offer you some good names ...depending on what you want)..I use Rode..my model is probably not that expensive in the Us now...Look around on Ebay


Last thing you need if your soundcard dosent have it is a mixer...to go from the Microphone into the Soundcard..(the kind of mixer you need depends on the microphone you have)

The Bheringer mixers that are very good and they start from about $50 ...u dont need anymore then one or two chanels so you can even go for the cheapest..
2 lines


Let me know of what you have ?

what soundcard...what kind of software...any mics ? any mixer ? headphones ?

Also i hope other members who know more about names...prices can join in and give you some suggestions



rombsix -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 11:33:45)

OK Ailsa. I'll go for the intermediate challenge then. [:)]



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Recording Advice (Jan. 27 2009 12:08:04)

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Also i hope other members who know more about names...prices can join in and give you some suggestions


This wasn't directed to you, Flo. I wanted everyone else to offer advice and a description of their recording setups.

I have a Soundblaster Audigy card, a microphone from a language program that doesn't work very well and Vegas software.

I was planning on recording the compas track to a cassette tape for play back and then recording with a mic or webcam--which I have to buy.

Any suggestions regarding a microphone or webcam?



Alonte -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 12:37:24)

Technically my first post but, Count me in!



Stu -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 13:01:12)

anyone got any of these links to work (beginners or intermediate)?? been trying for ages and no joy.

I got morao y oro book so that's cool but wanna check these ones too.

what is the beginners piece???



Munin -> RE: Challenge, Beginners Thread (Jan. 27 2009 13:02:47)

I'm in!



andresito -> RE: Recording Advice (Jan. 27 2009 13:20:00)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pgh_flamenco
Any suggestions regarding a microphone or webcam?

Anders mentioned this one which sounds like a great deal especially for the price, and simple if you aren't ready to shell out on recording gear -
http://www.amazon.com/Samson-CO1U-USB-Condenser-Mic/dp/B000AP1RE8
I think I'll look at one of these myself [:)]



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Recording Advice (Jan. 27 2009 14:20:49)

quote:

Anders mentioned this one which sounds like a great deal especially for the price, and simple if you aren't ready to shell out on recording gear -
http://www.amazon.com/Samson-CO1U-USB-Condenser-Mic/dp/B000AP1RE8
I think I'll look at one of these myself


Thanks, I'll consider it.



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