mark indigo -> RE: Practicing but getting Worse (Jan. 22 2009 10:14:39)
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Hi Norman, um.... i hope i wasn't misunderstanding you, and i'm slightly anxious to avoid any kind of "misunderstanding" developing, i didn't think i had read your post over-quickly, and it wasn't overly long (compared to some of my waffle-fests [:D]) but when you said; quote:
I never said "feelings" i have to point out just for the record that you did use the words "feel" and "feeling" several times here quote:
For the guitar (and lots of other stuff), this usually means changing from, "What's it supposed to be?" to "What does it feel like?" When I say "feel," I'm talking about the feeling of moving your fingers across the strings. This idea of feeling falsetas in your hands rather than visualizing them in your head becomes really clear when you learn rasgueados. all i was trying to point out is that feelings (as in physical sensations) come after the event, they are feedback, so how can you use them for initiating a movement? i believe that you can't! i wasn't trying to suggest or imply that you said "rely on you feelings to tell you if you are doing it or not." and if what you do works for you that's great, DON'T CHANGE IT ([:)]), but what Arash is doing doesn't seem to be working, and i know that when arts students (musicians, actors etc.) and/or athletes are exhorted to "feel" movements they often DO something extra, something unnecessary, and often something detrimental to their performance in order to feel something. an example, if someone is told to "feel" the strings, often they will PRESS HARDER, in order to "feel" more (because more pressure requires more muscle activity, which will then generate the desired increase in proprioceptive feedback), and i'm sure you would agree that pressing the strings harder is not the way to go (unless they are buzzing 'cos they aren't being pressed hard enough, which isn't the case here). when, say, picado, or arpegio, or abanico, or whatever is going really well and fast, i can't possibly "feel" every tiny movement i make, the movements are (hopefully[:D]) too small and too fast, better to program the movements slowly, and then file in the brain under "picado" or "arpegio" or " abanico" or whatever, and then just ask for that..... i keep putting "feel" in quote marks, becuase there are so many different meanings to that word, so that might be the potential source of misunderstanding.... such as when you say quote:
You have to feel in order to groove i understand this use of "feel" to be almost entirely different to physical sensations/proprioception.... feeling rhythms is not proprioception, but feeling physical movements is.... different use of "feel" in order to use proprioception to "feel" a rhythm you would have to DO something in that rhythm, and "feel" the physical sensation of the thing you're doing.... but to do that you have to a) know the rhythm and b) plan and execute a movement or series of movements in that rhythm, so do you see that those "feelings"/physical sensations come after all that? and my understanding is that when we "feel" a groove what we are doing is a) (knowing the rhythm on some level), you know, like when you can just hear/"feel" where the accents are without counting. notice i just used "feel" synonymously with "hear" i "feel" like having something to eat now - another different meaning of "feel" i "feel" sad when things go wrong - another different meaning of "feel" is this making any sense?[8|] sorry, long post!
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