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Trev -> Tuners? (Dec. 22 2008 0:40:03)

What brand and model are these tuners?
I can not find them anywhere.
http://www.condehermanos.com/fvfcipres/head.jpg

Thanks,
Trevor



eddie -> RE: Tuners? (Dec. 26 2008 11:32:11)

Hi Trev,

Looking at the markings, I'd say Aztec made : )

Sorry but couldn't resist that,
eddie



Exitao -> RE: Tuners? (Dec. 29 2008 12:44:15)

Despite selecting "English" in the options for their website, the descriptive paragraphs are still in Spanish. It doesn't say the name, but it assures that they're "maximum quality"... whatever that's worth to you.

When I search google for Felipe V Flamenco guitars I've only found two kinds of tuners in place, Fustero and Gotoh.

I don't recognise your pic as any Gotohs I've seen (I was recently researching them to find out about my tuners, and that doesn't seem the Gotoh style either). It has a sturdy look like I've seen in Fusteros, but those designs aren't anything I've seen, but I've only seen a couple pics of Fusteros...



jshelton5040 -> RE: Tuners? (Dec. 29 2008 14:18:53)

I suspect they are an Alessi tuner made expecially for Conde. Much like the custom tuners they make for Ramirez. I also think they're ugly and overpriced.



gj Michelob -> RE: Tuners? (Dec. 29 2008 14:59:06)

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ORIGINAL: jshelton5040
I suspect they are an Alessi tuner made expecially for Conde. Much like the custom tuners they make for Ramirez. I also think they're ugly and overpriced.


No John they are not by Noccolo' Alessi; I know him well and have an assortment of tuners he made, including those he designed for Ramirez replacing the Rodgers. We had discussed those Aztec engraved on the top Conde and they are German made, also according to GSI.

I do not what is it about Fustero but unless I have my way with pegs, I stay with that classic quite comfortably. It seems to belong on Spanish made!!



jshelton5040 -> RE: Tuners? (Dec. 30 2008 6:34:19)

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ORIGINAL: gj Michelob

No John they are not by Noccolo' Alessi; I know him well and have an assortment of tuners he made, including those he designed for Ramirez replacing the Rodgers. We had discussed those Aztec engraved on the top Conde and they are German made, also according to GSI.

I do not what is it about Fustero but unless I have my way with pegs, I stay with that classic quite comfortably. It seems to belong on Spanish made!!


I guessed Alessi because of the little caps over the gear screws. They're still ugly in my opinion. Fusteros are nice looking and high quality but also overpriced. Why should a good set of tuners cost more than a high quality electric drill or circular saw? I could buy a small metal lathe and make my own tuners but couldn't imagine making an electric drill.

I notice even Gotoh is trying to break into the overpriced tuner market with some that are over $200. I used to buy the same Gotoh machines that now sell for $70 or more for $12. Do you think their production costs have risen over 500% in the last few years? What a rip-off! Good quality machines should sell for no more than $10-20.



gj Michelob -> RE: Tuners? (Dec. 30 2008 20:15:53)

i know that in Niccolo' Alessi's case the price is remarkably increased by the the shape and engraving which is done by hand, one piece at a time, and with a very limited outpour with different artisans contributing to it and the price.

Fusteros, which are nice indeed but not necessarily the most accurate mechanics, are getting really expensive, you can still get them at LMI for $250 but at GSI they already are selling for 450.

I agree with you wholehartedly that these machines are exceedingly overpriced and perhaps overrated. A set of sterling silver Rodgers can be a nice touch... but sometimes costing as much as a fine student guitar (1 to 2 thousand dollars).



Taranto -> RE: Tuners? (Dec. 31 2008 2:54:26)

Has anyone tried Rubner? Opinions?



Taranto -> RE: Tuners? (Dec. 31 2008 4:43:38)

Those are made by Knut Welsch http://www.gitarre-welsch.de/special.htm#accessories
I suspect he is not offering them anymore.



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Jim Opfer -> RE: Tuners? (Dec. 31 2008 5:17:01)

Inspired by the Klingon Empire? :)



Trev -> RE: Tuners? (Dec. 31 2008 7:43:43)

Thanks for the reply´s hombres. I thought they were Alessi as well but wasn´t sure. It appears that Andres Marvi has used them as well on at least one guitar.
http://www.ad-marvi.com/en/guitars/detail.html

For the record I think they are cool. I tend to like a break from tradition, cosmetically speaking. Of course I was a rocker back in the day.

Good jokes too guy´s. Aztec and Klingon indeed. [:)]
I was thinking Arabic...


Trev



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