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HolyEvil -> Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Nov. 17 2008 16:22:06)

Hi there guys, I was asking a local music store here in Sydney Australia called Allan's Music re: the Yamaha CG171SF as it's got some pretty good reviews here as a beginner's flamenco guitar.

However the guitar manager replied saying that the model has actually been discontinued and the last CG171SF that Yamaha brought in was last year.

So just wondering whether it's a international discontinuation or just Australia.

Anyone knows anything? Not sure where else can I get that student model in Australia..

cheers



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Nov. 17 2008 16:29:21)

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However the guitar manager replied saying that the model has actually been discontinued and the last CG171SF that Yamaha brought in was last year.


Say it isn't so... Hasn't anyone from Yamaha been on this site?



ChiyoDad -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Nov. 17 2008 20:21:46)

Unlikely. The CG171SF is one of Yamaha's best-selling guitars worldwide. It's obviously still available from the online and B&M sellers.

The Yamaha website can also be inaccurate. I once called them because the CG201S was moved into the "Discontinued" category. The Yamaha USA rep told me they were still importing and selling it.

It's possible that supplies are limited to smaller retailers. Our local shop told me that it takes them 3-4 months to receive a special order for Yamaha guitars because they're not one of the "big players".

Why don't you call Yamaha Oz and ask them if any of their dealers have it?

http://www.yamahamusic.com.au/contact.asp



HolyEvil -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Nov. 17 2008 21:59:46)

Thanks for the heads up ChiyaDad. I'll give Yamaha Aus a call tomorrow.
I just go off the phone with the Yamaha Singapore (where I'm originally from),
and was informed that there's one CG171SF for sale in one Singapore store.

However, the person on the phone told me there's 2 versions of CG171SF. Made in Taiwan until last February which then was made in China. Is this true?

All the info that I got online was that the CG171SF was all made in China.
Anyone knows any different in the Taiwanese made vs China made versions?
Which one is superior to the other? my APX 6NA is made in Taiwan, and it feels pretty good, even after 10 years.

cheers



ChiyoDad -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Nov. 18 2008 6:03:50)

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ORIGINAL: HolyEvil
However, the person on the phone told me there's 2 versions of CG171SF. Made in Taiwan until last February which then was made in China. Is this true?


All lower-end Yamaha guitars were made in either Taiwan or Indonesia until 2007. Somewhere between 2006 and 2007, both of these facilities were transferred to China. Indonesia made mostly guitars with laminated tops. The Yamaha CG series was made in Taiwan.

http://chiyostrings.blogspot.com/2007/06/who-is-ymmi.html

My understanding was that some of the older CG171SF models from Taiwan had ebony fretboards. The last ones from Taiwan and the current ones from China have rosewood fretboards.

The first models of the CG171SF from Taiwan supposedly had backs and sides of laminated sycamore. Sometime after the CG171SF was launched, they switched to laminated cypress. The ones from China have laminated cypress. I was told that the core wood of these laminates is mahogany.

http://chiyostrings.blogspot.com/2008/04/review-yamaha-cg171sf-flamenco-guitar.html

The label will specify whether the guitar was made in Taiwan or in China.

You can decipher the serial number to find out exactly when your guitar was manufactured. See my blog post below.

http://chiyostrings.blogspot.com/2008/04/yamaha-serial-number-system.html



HolyEvil -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Nov. 18 2008 21:30:12)

A little update:

I just got off the phone with Yamaha Australia.
I was informed by the guitar division that Yamaha has discontinued their Flamenco guitars in Australia and worldwide. Not sure how true it is. Hopefully not as I'd like to get a beginners flamenco guitar somewhere early next year.



ChiyoDad -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Nov. 19 2008 5:30:53)

Odd statement. I don't know how much credibility it deserves.

But who knows? Maybe they're doing a refresh of the entire CG line and we'll hear an announcement of a CG172SF by the 2009 NAMM (perhaps with a truss rod).

In any case, your dilemma is to find a good-quality beginners' instrument and it doesn't sound like the CG171SF is readily available in Oz right now. You may have to opt for a competing brand or simply convert a classical guitar until you can afford a good midrange flamenco guitar.

I don't know if the Cordoba C5 is sold down under. That would be one classical that I would consider converting. It'd make an interesting flamenca negra.



HolyEvil -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Nov. 19 2008 20:55:48)

Hi there ChiyoDad, when you say convert a classical, it just means lowering the action yeah? I'm just trying to find out what the direct competitors for the Yamaha CG171SF are.

cheers



superboo -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Nov. 20 2008 23:35:57)

have you considered ordering online from somewhere else? they're all over the internet.



Ricardo -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Nov. 21 2008 12:09:42)

My friend just got a new one ordered through guitar center I think here in US. But it was not the same. It was cutaway with electronics. Sounds and plays very nice.

Ricardo



ChiyoDad -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Nov. 21 2008 16:11:24)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

My friend just got a new one ordered through guitar center I think here in US. But it was not the same. It was cutaway with electronics.


That's the CG171SFC. Very good pick-up system. I believe it uses both an under-the-saddle pickup and an internal condenser microphone with a goose-neck.



superboo -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Nov. 21 2008 23:18:53)

the musician's friend holiday sale has begun and the cg171sf has dropped from $349.99 USD to $299.99 USD. I just emailed them and expect to receive the difference in price as they guarantee retroactive price matching for 45 days after shipping (mine shipped 31 days ago). excellent deal, if you ask me.



prnvalium -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Dec. 13 2008 16:46:08)

I saw one on ebay australia about a month ago for around $600, buy it now for $750. Actually it was a Yamaha CGX-171SCX.
I think the guy must have sold it privately because he withdrew the listing, but he noted that they weren't going to be available in Oz until mid 2009. Not sure if that helps, since you already contacted Yamaha.



nasdaq -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Feb. 25 2009 2:43:46)

I have a brand new Yamaha Flamenco for sale in Australia for $690 delivered.



HolyEvil -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Feb. 25 2009 4:16:20)

Hi there Nasdaq.. didn't you just posted a 'wtb' for this guitar a few days back? and now you're selling one?

cheers



Arash -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Feb. 25 2009 6:28:03)

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ORIGINAL: HolyEvil

Hi there Nasdaq.. didn't you just posted a 'wtb' for this guitar a few days back? and now you're selling one?

cheers


This is called Guerilla marketing [:D]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerilla_marketing



gounaro1174 -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Feb. 25 2009 7:25:41)

They're all over Ebay for 199 dollars.... Check it out!!!!



Arash -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Feb. 25 2009 8:09:45)

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ORIGINAL: gounaro1174

They're all over Ebay for 199 dollars.... Check it out!!!!


There is no yamaha CG171SF for 199$ on ebay.



gounaro1174 -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Feb. 26 2009 7:32:01)

Are you sure? You checked all nation's ebay?



Arash -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Feb. 26 2009 9:12:43)

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ORIGINAL: gounaro1174

Are you sure? You checked all nation's ebay?


well i checked the most common ones,,,,,.com, co.uk., es, com.au , de ..
maybe you could show me just one yamaha with this price?
i have seen 299 in the past but 199? that seams really too cheap,,even for a yamaha



gounaro1174 -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Feb. 26 2009 11:08:48)

Maybe its my mistaket.... Whats your opinion in new Anders blanca....???



ChiyoDad -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Feb. 26 2009 11:26:47)

$299 in the US is usually as good as it gets when buying new (unless you're good friends with the shop owner [:)]).



nasdaq -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Feb. 27 2009 0:46:58)

yes i brought another flamenco locally and also brought a yamaha from ebay, i'm selling the yamaha now brand new.



andresito -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Mar. 11 2009 1:37:24)

Saw this on eBay today if you are intent on buying jap crap [:D] jk

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Yamaha-CG171SF-Flamenco-Guitar-CG171-SF-New-Boxed_W0QQitemZ130291895870QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Musical_Instruments_Instruments?hash=item130291895870&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318



ChiyoDad -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Mar. 11 2009 10:04:16)

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ORIGINAL: andresito

Saw this on eBay today if you are intent on buying jap crap [:D] jk


That's nasdaq's auction for his used guitar.

AU$645 = US$418. The Yamahas sure are expensive down under.



andresito -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Mar. 11 2009 19:07:37)

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ORIGINAL: ChiyoDad
AU$645 = US$418. The Yamahas sure are expensive down under.

yes, the exchange rate isn't too great these days, July would have been the time to buy one from the States. But I think they have always been around that price in Aus.



andresito -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Mar. 11 2009 19:21:52)

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ORIGINAL: HolyEvil
Anyone knows anything? Not sure where else can I get that student model in Australia..

If you don't have any luck with the Yamaha, maybe see if you can play one of these in a shop, about the only other student 'flamenco' thing going for less than $1000. Really more like a bright classical, but nice to play and with some nut/saddle adjustment and the right strings it could work for you
http://www.haworthguitars.com.au/control/product/~category_id=501/~product_id=admira-19490;jsessionid=458h4v1uja4

http://www.shiremusic.com.au/site/index.cfm?module=STORETIGER&bit=products&product_id=182716&cart_id=F8A4AD06-A8D8-33F4-66B1C636D11D66A5



kovachian -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Mar. 11 2009 19:37:25)

My CG171SF will very likely be going up for sale once my Francisco Navarro arrives from La Falseta. I'll gladly ship to Oz or anywhere else in the world, but shipping charges could get ugly.



HolyEvil -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Mar. 12 2009 1:05:26)

Hey there, thanks for the offer but I'm all set now. My 171sf is arriving this Sunday. Going to get a bone saddle put on next week. Hopfully lowering both action on 12 fret n distance between strings n body of guitar over the soundhole.

Cheers



andresito -> RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (Sep. 21 2009 3:50:29)

If anyone down under is still furtively searching for the mythical Yamaha CG171-SF, may I suggest you first check out one of Katoh's new range
http://westwoodguitarcompany.com/Katoh_Classical_Guitars.htm
I bashed out some bulerias chords on the flamenco model in the shop and it was impressive, especially for the price. Nice to play, light, and loud.

disclaimer: I have no connection business or otherwise with Katoh guitars [:D]



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