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pacodegarcia -> Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 7 2008 4:21:20)

Hi all,
For anyone looking for some inspirational material to take your playing to the next level, Jason Mcguire has some some new exciting material on his website at www.Flamenco-Lessons.com. Recently added lessons for the month of October were.....
• A Bulerias dance accompaniment lesson with play along video (dance and singing) and tablature/score
• A great lesson on Rumba Flamenca complete with tablature and score
• 2 new lessons on Paisaje Jerezano (Bulerias), concert solo from YouTube.com video .....

There is loads more material there to explore..
cheers.




Munin -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 7 2008 10:01:35)

I wish Jason would offer his material on a pay-per-lesson/video basis like Ramin, and not as a monthly subscription. Oh well.




JasonMcGuire -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 8 2008 15:38:51)

Sorry Munin,

With so many available lessons (95 total and more being added regularly), I think makes more sense to offer them as a subscription. You can cancel at any time and many of my current students come sporadically and it works fine for them. A major reason for not offering individually priced lessons is to protect my material from redistribution on the internet, which we all know is a big problem. I feel the way I have things set up provides the student a great value considering the price for private classes these days. The material on my site is the same material I have taught in private classes for years and in some cases it is even better like in the following excerpts for Bulerias Dance Accompaniment....


Bulerias Dance Accomampaniment Excerpt - Normal Tempo

Bulerias Dance Accomampaniment Excerpt - Slow Tempo


Subscribers also have access to this material counted out, the play along video of the dance and cante without guitar, a commentary about the lesson, a standard notation/tablature file and not to mention discussion forum where all students can ask in depth questions about the material. I also encourage all my students to post videos and I personally critique their progress.

I haven't been on the foro for quite awhile. I wasn't able to login, but I just figured out the problem, plus I have been busy with my own site. I see there has been a lot of drama. It's great to see that things got worked out.

Jason




Florian -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 8 2008 16:53:01)

Hi Jason nice to see you again.




JasonMcGuire -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 8 2008 22:21:40)

Hi Florian. What's new?

J




henrym3483 -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 6:02:32)

Hi Jason,

great vids, i tried out your website a while back when john opheim recommended it to me, i did the three day trial thing, and found alot of stuff useful especially the buleria lesson compas an solea por buleria compas lesson's. some of the other stuff was maybe a bit ahead of me at the time but if i get a nice windfall of a bonus this x-mas i might sign up for the year.

would you ever consider making a dvd? i know production costs vs internet videos would make the internet win time over but if you did release one i'd be one of the first to buy it.

best

henry




JasonMcGuire -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 10:02:03)

Thanks Henry.
DVDs aren't something I have planned, but you never know. [:)]

My vision for my website had a lot more to do with being able to interact with my students, that way they get the benefits of lessons that don't change and are written out while still having access to critique from the teacher. Essentially a "best of both worlds" scenario. Those of you that are members know that I do check my forum and reply to issues daily. DVDs don't really offer that type of interaction.

The last time I shared material from my website here, we were still taping different performances for each section of the lesson....slow,right hand, left hand, counted,etc.

It really made the lesson creation process difficult and it made it so that there were small differences in the performance of each segment. I only had one camera and that was all I could do. I now use two cameras and as you can see from the exceprts, I digitally slow down the lessons so that students see EXACTLY what I played at normal speed, slowed down 50%. The right hand closeup is included in all the clips. I still do a counted out version because some students rely on it, but I record the counting after the fact instead of counting while I play. I had gotten so used to counting while playing for my private students, that it seemed natural at first to do it that way. I have always had students privately that found the counting annoying. I have also had MANY students that found that it was key in understanding compas. I guess the counting is sort of like a mother nagging you to "clean up your room". Eventually it sticks for most and we learn to keep things straight. The last time I checked, it was pretty darned important to stay in compas.[;)]

J




Florian -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 10:33:08)

quote:

Hi Florian. What's new?


nuthing much [:)] we been arguing alot about your poloticeans lately lol,


missed u at the foro..

how is that project with that cantaor going ? got any tracks

i think u do a excellent job with your lesons..it makes sence...sounds like u put alot of tought into it...also sounds very generous of u




XXX -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 10:37:28)

Hey Jason,

your work is admirable and it looks like your site is a great opportunity. So great to see someone sharing that much material and putting alot of effort in his students.

Regarding the counting. I find it actually pretty amazing when someone is able to count and play falsetas. Did you have to learn it seperately or did it just develop? Do you recommend it to students to count while playing? Is it useful to show others that what you play is actually in compas? [8D][:D] Just kidding of course. But isnt it useful? [8D]




JasonMcGuire -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 11:21:53)

Thanks Deniz for the kind words,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Deniz

Regarding the counting. I find it actually pretty amazing when someone is able to count and play falsetas. Did you have to learn it seperately or did it just develop? Do you recommend it to students to count while playing? Is it useful to show others that what you play is actually in compas?


It developed over the period of a month or so. I got frustrated with my private students not "getting compas". I was angry with a student and that anger one day was channeled into me counting while playing a simple falseta. Then I tried it in the next class on some more difficult material. After a while it just became something I could do.
I never practiced it outside of lessons. It would of course be great for a student to be able to do it. I don't think it's essential or anything, but training your mind to be able to handle more at one time can only make it stronger.......

Flo,
I am working in the studio slowly on a project with Felix de Lola. It is more "pop" than I really ever wanted it to be, but as a producer/engineer I have to keep the clients happy.
Aside from my website and recording projects, this year I have created a new Large Diaphragm Tube Condenser with an electrical engineer friend of mine. We just got the first prototype working and the preliminary tests are pretty amazing. We have tested the mic so far against some amazing historical mics and feel that we have something very special. We will be doing some authoritative tests later this month comparing it to several legendary mics like the Nuemann U47,U67, AKG C12 and Telefunken Ela M 251. We are confident that our mic will do VERY well in these tests. My goal with this mic was just to make something special for my own use, but people are already asking us to make them one, so another business is born. Now I have to put a price tag on it.
Thats always hard to do.

I am also working with another friend on some super groovy flamenco software that I can't say much about other than it is amazing and full of bugs. I am looking forward to getting back to work on that as well.

About our politicians in the US........ thank goodness we have put that stuff behind us at least for a while. The state of the economy worldwide is alarming, but I think it is something for all to learn from and that the future will be better for it. Time will tell.

J

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Florian -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 11:28:14)

Wow u sure keep busy ..that's brilliant, very exciting news about the mic..looking foward to hearing it and maybe one day buying the Jason Maguire mic in the shops ..i know the sound will be excellent ..u know what u want in sound and know what u are doing with audio so you are a perfect candidate to make one.

let me know when thats available to check out and u have setled on a price

quote:

I am also working with another friend on some super groovy flamenco software that I can't say much about other than it is amazing and full of bugs. I am looking forward to getting back to work on that as well.


i understand..but the second u can say what it is let me know ..i am very curious now lol..but i understand u have to protect a good idea..


if u have any new audio samples of anything u are doing or working on id love to hear man..its always inspiering




JasonMcGuire -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 12:26:40)

The software has to do with a new flamenco monetary system called Flamenco Dollars. Since we all keep hiring each other to do shows, no one actually makes any money performing flamenco. The software is used to print "Flamenco Dollars" to pay your artists so that they still feel like they have some value in the world. They money looks a lot like US dollars with polka dots. In leu of the current financial crisis, it seems that flamenco dollars might be gaining strength as a worldwide currency.....[;)]

Here is a link to a track on a new release that I produced. It features myself playing 2 guitar parts, Kai Eckhardt on electric bass and Esteban Bello on vocals. It's my arrangement and I did the audio engineering as well. Definitely NOT a "pop" production, yet not exactly flamenco either.

http://www.caminosflamencos.com/SOS.mp3

Gotta go, my lentils are done and they are going to rock. I remember one guitar lesson I took with Chuscales consisted of sitting down and eating lentils that he had just cooked. It was a great lesson without even touching the guitar.[:D]


J




Florian -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 12:58:34)

quote:

The software has to do with a new flamenco monetary system called Flamenco Dollars. Since we all keep hiring each other to do shows, no one actually makes any money performing flamenco. The software is used to print "Flamenco Dollars" to pay your artists so that they still feel like they have some value in the world. They money looks a lot like US dollars with polka dots. In leu of the current financial crisis, it seems that flamenco dollars might be gaining strength as a worldwide currency.....


[:D][:D][:D]

i heard about those !!
also apparently the second u take them out of the wallet they roll up by themselfs.. they the latest rage in Europe..

cant wait to see those .....we use flamenco cheques here...they still bounce [&:] but they do it in compas


that audio sounds excellent !! the guitar sounds so pristine WOW..

it cut out before and only heard the intro gonna redownload the whole track

dude i just love your new sound !! just keeps getting better and better..thats some of the best sound i ever heard for a flamenco guitar..unbelivable..it ads so much to the level of enjoyment..the way trebles should sound..dont touch anything..dont change a thing

u are revolutionising my whole idea of ideal sound

i am gonna freefilter u ! [:D][:D] until i can one day afford you..soon !!...just waiting on a cheque to clear




JasonMcGuire -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 13:29:12)

The guitars are recorded mono with a 30 year old AKG c451(with a rebuilt capsule by Bill Bradley) through a D.A.V. Electronics Broadhurst Gardens No.1U preamp. The guitar is my beloved "hypermodern" Cedar Top Negra from Glenn Canin.

Nigel Jones who is there in OZ just got a "hypermodern" spruce top blanca that is perhaps the best blanca I have ever played. Everyone around here liked it much better than the 1988 Manuel Reyes that I recently sold as well as all of the Lester Devoes around. Glenn has developed a nice waiting list for his guitars and its easy to see why when you play and hear one. I think they are simply magic. The owner of a Cedar Top blanca is moving to Madrid early next year. I would not be surprised in the least if we didn't start seeing some Spaniards playing his guitars in the near future. In fact Eugenio Iglesias is playing my old Canin cedar top on his mySpace page.......

J




Florian -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 13:30:15)

what city is Nigel in do you know ? i heard theres meant to be this magical maker in adelaide my city..




JasonMcGuire -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 13:35:35)

Wollongong

I have heard of a maker in Adelaide too. I think it was Rick Falkiner in Sydney who mentioned him. Don't remember the name though.

J




Florian -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 13:41:38)

thats excellent. makes me proud to have guitarmakers that good in Australia

so whats the acctual name of the guitar u have now so i can keep an eye out for it?.

how is the playability and action compared to your other ones ?




JasonMcGuire -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 13:53:23)

Glenn's guitars are all incredible in playability. I worked closely with him to nail everything I wanted in a guitar. I have only 2 guitars now. A pre hypermodern Glen Canin Blanca with a cutaway that I use for doing latin gigs and the "Hypermodern" Cedar Top Negra. I got rid of everything else. Devoes, Ramirez etc.......

J




Florian -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 14:03:44)

thank you..i am going to keep an eye out for him..hopefully i get to try one out one day




pacodegarcia -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 9 2008 22:36:59)

Hi Florian,
It's Nigel here... I'm the guy with the new Glenn Canin Blanca!

The Luthier in Adelaide (I think) is John Price. Luthier Music in New York sell his guitars and rumor has it that Paco himself has one. David Butrose is from Adelaide also but now is in Tasmania.




Florian -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 10 2008 2:15:16)

WOW ! Hi Nigel !!

congratulations mate[;)] are you happy ?

got any photos ? what city are you in btw ?




pacodegarcia -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 10 2008 14:57:12)

My Glenn Canin Blanca is truly an exceptional guitar. It's extremely responsive and loud, and has a super light action. I Know this sounds like a cliche but ....It is everything I ever wanted in a Blanca! (It's true.. it actually is :) and to this day I haven't played anything better, So yes I couldn't be happier!
Glenn's Negra's are also awesome, I haven't told my wife yet but I think I might have to order one!

I've been studying over at Jason's website for a little over 12 months and just started this year going along and playing at a local dance school. Jason's site has been an amazing resource and has really helped me to feel more confident with accompaniment. Jason's material is original and modern and I'm always finding something new and challenging. It was great to show up at the dance class feeling confident, having never played for dancers with already some understanding of what was going on and what to expect.

I'm living in Wollongong now which is 1 hour south of Sydney and I teaching guitar at the Wollongong Conservarorium of Music.

I tried to upload a photo but keep getting the message 'access denied'

so will try again later
Cheers Nigel




JasonMcGuire -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 11 2008 22:57:34)

Hey this thread turned into a discussion about Glenn's guitars.......

Here is the normal tempo video from a recently added rumba lesson.

Rumba Example - Normal Tempo


Last month I finished up the complete set of lessons teaching my Taranta, "A Mi Arturo" and we are half way through my Eb Bulerias........the one on the YouTube vid......
The piece is called "Paisaje Jerezano". Just for the sake of history, these were both composed way back in 1995 and evolved a little bit over the years.

About the history of Eb phrygian in case it hasn't been discussed (forgive me if it has)...... San Francisco native David Jones ......aka David Serva was supposedly the first to play in this key. He had a piece that he called Rondeña in the 70's that he played in Eb. He was close to Juan Maya and it started making its way around Spain after that.
David was WAY ahead of his time on that one.............if the legend is true.

Here is another peek at the material my subscribers have access to.......
A falseta for bulerias.
Bulerias Falseta - Normal Tempo

It was taped before I had 2 cameras, so it doesn't have the ultra groovy split screen action...sorry.[&:]

J




JasonMcGuire -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 12 2008 14:09:15)

Here's another video from one of the lessons for Solea por Bulerias........

Solea por Bulerias Falseta - Normal Tempo


We should have at least another 50 lessons added this coming year. Probably more now that I have help transcribing.

Enjoy!

J




mrMagenta -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 12 2008 14:20:42)

Jason, your laser tuned hands are glued to the compas with some kind of rhythmic super-adhesive which let's you move about without ever loosing security.. did you secretly develop a cyborg compas-implant together with your electrical engineer friend? :P

If I sat down with it, I guess with some effort I could learn the basic moves, fingerings and notes of the bulerias falseta.. but it's your level of execution that feels really far ahead and super difficult. I guess it's the same with material from all great players, even with ultra-simple solea arpeggios you get this solidity which makes everything come into focus.. and as a student you try and try, thousands of times, but never quite reach it.

Do your students ever get frustrated in this way? What do you say to them? If one want's to achieve the kind of rhythmic solidity you show in your Eb bulerias for instance, I just can't think of anything doing the trick except years and years of hard work, with dance accompaniment, working with other musicians etc.

I would like to subscribe to your lessons at some time. I'm especially interested in the ones on dance and song accompaniment, but I have a large pile of material to work through so I'm feeling a bit swamped by everything I want to learn atm.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your work here, really appreciated.




ddk -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 12 2008 14:22:44)

Hola todos,

I feel I have to jump in here and say that I just signed up for Jason's lessons and am amazed at the quantity and quality of information available to us students. It looks like my wife will be a "Flamenco Widow" for a while...[;)][:D][:D]

Dean




JasonMcGuire -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 12 2008 14:41:56)

Thanks Dean. I am glad you are enjoying the lessons. I apologize to your wife though.[:)]


quote:

Jason, your laser tuned hands are glued to the compas with some kind of rhythmic super-adhesive which let's you move about without ever loosing security.. did you secretly develop a cyborg compas-implant together with your electrical engineer friend? :P


mrMagenta,
When you make playing with solid compas a priority things take shape. I have had many students say to me....."I'll get the compas later after I get the notes under my fingers".
Guess what, they usually never get around to it. It should be a priority from the begining you learn new material. The rhythm enables the growth in technique. Technique is a mechanical issue and when you are dealing with mechanical things timing is everything.

quote:

I would like to subscribe to your lessons at some time. I'm especially interested in the ones on dance and song accompaniment, but I have a large pile of material to work through so I'm feeling a bit swamped by everything I want to learn atm.


Most of these are examples from advanced lessons. Most of the material on the website is intermediate level. There is quite a bit of beginning material and I am going to focus on getting more beginning stuff done soon.

I can totally relate to having too much stuff to work on. Flamenco-Lessons.com will be there when you are ready and have time.[:)]




gj Michelob -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 12 2008 14:48:12)

Dean, I am interested in your commentary to these on-line classes.

I can sort of play guitar, but am ignorant and famished when it comes to the various forms and rules of Flamenco. Do you find that these lessons would supply the assistance one would typically require of a teacher, particularly at such initial stages, or is it something which should solely supplement a teacher's class?




mrMagenta -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 12 2008 15:43:05)

Thanks for the reply Jason. And I think you're right.

Since I started with flamenco it's been my aim to become a guitarist capable of an ensemble function, so the challenge over these first years has been to develop the skills needed for an accompanist. But I've lost focus many times, worked on irrelevant material etc. It's so easy to loose focus before you are in the actual setting, and using the skills in context.

I don't know if you offer it on you website already but I would like accompaniment lessons at a beginner level, perhaps even oversimplified compared to stuff you would actually play, just to get the basic toolset to start playing for beginner dance classes in the most common styles. That way it would be easy to start expanding on things, putting flesh on the skeleton. It would mean every falseta etc would be learned to fit, in context, dancing proof compas, function etc and there would be direct feedback. Perhaps learning efficiency would also get a tiny bit less dependent on heavy self-discipline. [&:]

On the comment by Nigel it seems you offer this already. But Nigel (teaching at conservatorium) seems to be a highly trained musician to begin with so these might be beyond my level, the excerpt looks good though.. hm. Good stuff.

Cheers!




JasonMcGuire -> RE: Online flamenco guitar lessons (Nov. 12 2008 16:16:42)

We have some dance accompaniment material and more to come very soon. My site won't answer all of your questions about accompaniment..........yet. [;)]

It's a work in progress and I thought that it would be great for a lot of people even as it's being built and developed. The members are helping to guide the material and how it is covered. I can't obviously meet each and every persons requests as far as posting new videos, but I do listen and the best ideas are addressed. And of course, I answer questions daily on my forum and encourage students to post videos for personal critique.

We can help and Nigel is a great resource because he is just crossing the threshold of becoming an accompanist. He is dealing with many of the questions someone new to accompanying would be confronted with. He is VERY helpful on my forum.

I wish that I could say that my website has EVERYTHING a guitarist needs to learn, but that would be silly and no ONE teachers point of view could claim to be that. My site is at best something to help direct a guitarist in the way I developed my own playing and how I have taught many others in my private classes. I was pushed VERY hard early on and the fact that some of my material is difficult is coming from that perspective. I think guitarists need to be pushed and challenged when they are learning. Nothing is impossible. You keep your sights on what you want to play like and you work to the extent your life will allow to get there. Being honest with yourself helps too. It sounds to me like you have the right idea about things and its just a matter of settling in for the journey. Enjoy the journey. The journey is what its all about. If we are lucky we NEVER reach the destination as artists. In that way we have a lifetime of fulfillment.




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