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miguel -> Flamenco in universities............. (May 23 2004 2:05:07)

Hola amigos

i am getting to that stage in life where you have to choose a career path ect. and my dad suggested that i go to a university and study classical guitar and this is not what i want to do(i've never played classical).

So i was wondering if any of you could tell me if there is any courses in universities for flamenco.(i've heard granados and paco peña have one) and if i went to one of these what would happen once i finished, where would i end up.

Heres my story:

I've played flamenco since i was 13/14 and practise for 4-5 hours a day and about 7 on weekends.
I dont have a T.V(yes i know its odd, all i do is practise[:)]).
I think realistically(i know im not going to be the next Paco de Lucia).
I would be happy accompanying singers/dancers in tabloas.
I've got plenty of family in spain to live with(going to spain is no problem)[:D]

thats about it, please help............

Regards Miguel



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Flamenco in universities............. (May 23 2004 4:27:15)

The Paco Pena one is good, I hear. You can write my friend and maybe he can hook you up. He is a student there.

jan AT frielings.de

There is also a program in Alberquerque NM, the only university in the USA that offers a degree for flamenco (or so I hear).

There is also a place in Sevilla called Fundacion Cristina Heeren, which has a 3 or 4 year flamenco course. I took an intensive summer course there last year and had a good time. I believe they offer scholarships for some contest winners, you might want to check up on that. Do a web search



Montanadonn -> RE: Flamenco in universities............. (May 23 2004 7:48:11)

Miguel- Its true there is a flemenco curriculum in Albuquerque. Look up David Briggs on directory information there as he is a student there and can fill you in on the particulars. When I was in Jerez de La Frontera last March I first met Simon heading to the cafe pena and met some British, Australian, and Scottish people attending a structured flemenco guitar school in Jerez. Seems to be well established and has some credibility. There are also flemenco schools in Granada, Spain. Manual Diaz, who is a well known flamenco guitar and flamenco dance instructor and guitar luthier lives there and could give you some information on that one. Granada is a special fun place to be and I crossed paths with several flemenco guitar students there as well last March.Hope that helps. Donn Dale



miguel -> RE: Flamenco in universities............. (May 23 2004 11:32:48)

Thanks

what happens once you complete a "degree" in flamenco? And do you know the standard of ability that is expected?

Thanks again
Miguel



Ron.M -> RE: Flamenco in universities............. (May 23 2004 12:55:22)

Miguel,
I think the Paco Peña school certifies you as a "competent" teacher of Flamenco guitar, ie not just self taught.
By the end of the course you are expected to be able to accompany both singers and dancers reliably.
Making a living is then the next big problem, but if you have Spanish heritage and speak Spanish fluently and have family in Spain then I think you should be able to find work.
But I wouldn't plan on buying a sports car or even getting a Bank loan for anything! [;)]

cheers

Ron



miguel -> RE: Flamenco in universities............. (May 23 2004 13:09:59)

Thanks Ron

That sounds good.
And believe me, my dad has told me all about the financial dificulties. ie living on bean stew for weeks when work isn't good,he(my dad)was/is an artist and has been through that.[&o]

And money isnt everything............................well.................maybe...........
And anyway a sports car didn't do farruquito any good did it.[;)]

Many thanks
Miguel



duende -> RE: Flamenco in universities............. (May 23 2004 16:45:28)

What do you want in your life? Work and live comfortbly. Play on the side.Or do what you love? i´d say go for it! if flamenco is what you want.
I could go to cristina heeren in spain or a university of music here in sweden. I went for the university in sweden cuz a diploma from a flamenco school no matter good the school is isn´t worth a damn in sweden. No i have a Masters degree in music (rock/pop/latin and Jazz). I have an education and i have the right to teach at any level.
and the flamenco schools are still there...waiting. So when i feel like it i can go.
If i were in your possition i would go to flamenco school and worrie later.[;)]
(did i just tell you a lot of nonsens? don´t know.)
Henrik



Ron.M -> RE: Flamenco in universities............. (May 23 2004 17:25:52)

I think Henrik has an excellent perspective on things Miguel.....
It's a lot easier to get a Degree in something while you're young, although the 3 or 4 years might seem like a long time passing.
Trying to get a Degree as a mature student, say in your late 20's is a lot more difficult for many reasons.
Getting something like a teaching qualification will allow you to drop in and out of work as you choose, unlike say, a corporate type job where that would probably be viewed with concern on your CV.
As Henrik says, the Flamenco schools will always be there.

Ron



Escribano -> RE: Flamenco in universities............. (May 23 2004 20:00:39)

quote:

And anyway a sports car didn't do farruquito any good did it.

Depends if you consider a BMW a sports car, I don't [:D]

Go for it, you only live once, this is no dress rehearsal and you can always get into something else later to pay the bills. At least you'll be a ****-hot flamenco guitarist for the rest of your life!



Ron.M -> RE: Flamenco in universities............. (May 23 2004 20:18:04)

quote:

you can always get into something else later to pay the bills.


Umm..MacDonalds, Busking....maybe River Watching in the Highlands? [:D]

Ron



gerundino63 -> RE: Flamenco in universities............. (May 24 2004 8:19:09)

Hi Miguel!

I live in the Netherlands, where at the Rotterdam concervatory the Paco Pena studie is.

I know it is very hard studie, and it has lot of dropouts, but if you manage it there, I am sure you find a good way to earn your bread.

I know some guys that studie there, so if you email me I can contact you with one of them, to get some inside information.

pc.vandortmondt@quicknet.nl

Greetings, and good luck with your choices!

Peter.



miguel -> RE: Flamenco in universities............. (May 24 2004 10:09:43)

Thanks

quote:

i´d say go for it! if flamenco is what you want.

I agree with that.
I am very serious about this and know there is more to it than a romantic runaway with gitanos.(preferably gitanas[;)])

Basically,i dont enjoy anything else and i dont want to end up in some crappy job i hate for the next 40-50 years of my life and retire and have nothing to show for it(except a house[:)]).

On the other hand if im a guitarist i never have to retire(look at sabicas in his 90's).
And i'll be happy(but probably poor[:(]). And im willing to live badly for that(happyness that is).

Also if i get good you can all have free lessons.[:)]

Manythanks
Miguel



miguel -> RE: Flamenco in universities............. (May 26 2004 8:57:37)

quote:

Go for it, you only live once, this is no dress rehearsal and you can always get into something else later to pay the bills. At least you'll be a ****-hot flamenco guitarist for the rest of your life!


Simon my friend, your one hell of an administrator[:D][:D][:D]

Miguel



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