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koella -> [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 13 2008 12:02:39)

I have this little problem.
At times when I'm fully occupied with my little brass-arranging hobby, I often now the exact pitch of the tones that are in my head.

But as soon as I get back to flamenco, it's getting very unstable due to the fact that I'm using a capo at different positions all day. So when I try to hear the pitch, I'm often one or two notes off.

Anyone else has that problem [ and a solution ] ?



Florian -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 13 2008 13:47:52)

yeah its happened to me

hey i was just thinking, its funny i forghot you do this...i was going to call a friend to do some kind of samples arrangement for that piece

but brass would be perfect , wanna do a solo ? some kind of trumpet or sax etc..

i have the samples all you have to do is arrange the midi if you want...

it would be cool and it might inspire me with a new prespective

let me know



koella -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 13 2008 13:53:56)

I'll pm you



enurbf03 -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 14 2008 18:22:10)

This isnt really related to "perfect pitch" or not so perfect pitch.
Its about relative pitch, and the ability to transpose in your head. Pick up the guitar, put on the capo, and give yourself a reference note before you start to weave ideas in your head.



koella -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 14 2008 22:29:23)

Let me put it another way.
When I'm listening to some music, I'm always trying to figure out what range an instrument is playing in, without a reference tone. When I check it, I'm right 9 out of ten times.

This ability is getting hazy when I play guitar all week with capo in different positions. Somehow my ears deceive me then.



at_leo_87 -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 14 2008 22:53:00)

hmmm..... what's this brass arranging thing you do?
when i played with sibelius a lot, my ear was really good. then when i started to pick up guitar again, it got a little worse. is this similar to your situation?

maybe it might be because your guitar is slightly getting detuned when you play. for instance, you might be playing then notice the guitar is out of tune. then you tune the rest of the guitar to the low e or whatever when that string itself is out of tune. then your ears get used to it and adjust. just a theory.



enurbf03 -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 14 2008 23:31:55)

quote:

maybe it might be because your guitar is slightly getting detuned when you play. for instance, you might be playing then notice the guitar is out of tune. then you tune the rest of the guitar to the low e or whatever when that string itself is out of tune. then your ears get used to it and adjust. just a theory.


This is an excellent, thoughtful point. That could very well be what's happening.



koella -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 14 2008 23:47:06)

No, that's not the point.

Let's give it another try.
I have the open strings in my head. When I think of them, I hear the exact pitch in my head. Same goes for the open chords. Especially the G and D chord.

When I play with capo on the second fret a lot, I hear the open strings as F#-C#-A-E-B-F# sometimes, the open G as an A chord etc. So the open string sound in my head has shifted 2 frets.

I hope I'm clear now.



at_leo_87 -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 15 2008 1:01:27)

i'm not totally sure what you are talking about. we're talking about perfect pitch right? so an E should sound like an E to you, an F# should still be an F#, etc. regardless of what you play. so if you play a G chord with capo 2nd fret, you should HEAR an A and recognize it even though you are PLAYING a G chord shape. nothing pitch wise should change. so i'm not sure what you mean. sorry if i'm misunderstanding.



enurbf03 -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 15 2008 1:23:19)

Ok, maybe this is what you're getting at. You could be talking about the physical chord grips not matching what's in your head.
This is related to "transposition", but in a physical/fretboard related sorta way.
You're thinking and hearing an "A" (concert pitch), then you mistakenly go to grab an A form chord when you''ve capo'd up? If that's not what you mean, then you've completely lost me. LOL [:D]



enurbf03 -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 15 2008 1:25:28)

quote:

so an E should sound like an E to you, an F# should still be an F#, etc. regardless of what you play.


This is correct. [:)]



koella -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 15 2008 1:57:06)

Yes now we're getting somewhere.[:D]

It's not perfect pitch but more like associating a certain chord with a pitch in your head.
It's very comfortable when you're writing a score, but isn't very reliable when you play the chord shapes all over the neck [ due to capo shifting ].

Maybe I shouldn't use a capo anymore.[&:]



at_leo_87 -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 15 2008 4:41:43)

ah... so perhaps that is what is throwing your game off. or maybe it's all that wine you drink. j/k [:D]

i've seen your videos on youtube. you play very well. so i wouldn't change whatever it is you're doing, capo or not.

maybe you should just work on some direct ear training.
here are some good resources:
http://www.musictheory.net/index.html
http://www.good-ear.com/index.html
http://www.cyberfret.com/ear-training/index.php

it's good to do ear training daily anyways, but most people get lazy, myself included.

so that's my suggestion for overcoming this problem. and maybe just be more aware of the capo and mentally adjust pitch - label accordingly.



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koella -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 15 2008 9:34:38)

Wine ? [>:]

Thanks for the good words and the advice Leo. I'll take a look at those links.



at_leo_87 -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 15 2008 12:33:07)

your avatar.



koella -> RE: [ not so ] perfect pitch (Sep. 15 2008 13:33:39)

Ah yes, nothing better then a glass [ or a bottle ] of wine after a day of hard labour.



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