mark indigo -> RE: Vals-Bulería Question (Aug. 26 2008 14:54:28)
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IMO real "vals" part starts at 3:40 (in album version). oh yeah, thanks Ilia, i can hear that now.... quote:
I have it. thanks Anders for the offer - i have the cd version and the encuentro dvd & book - maybe you have another version or tab of the cd version? quote:
IMO you should always know, if you are in the 12-5 part of a compas or 6-11, even if you are playing 6s or so, so that you dont do the remates on the first part. In dance they do sometimes 2 compases with sixes, and then do regular remate kind of things during 6 8 10 of the 2nd compas. Hi Deniz, i have a different opinion, and experience of this. I try not to count 'cos it puts me off, as my head is telling me one thing and my ears something else, and you do get "odd" sixes (ie that end on what would be beat 4, wait or golpe on beat 5, come in on 6 and plays as if it were 12) in cante, in dance and in guitar falsetas. The bulerias on Camaron's cd "Castillo de Arena" are literally littered with odd sixes, listen to the first one, "Samara", every verse of cante ends on beat 4 (golpe or wait on 5, and and the guitar starts again on 6 and plays as if it were 12). try clapping strict 12's through that, you can't, it's just so wrong! sure, parts of it are twelves, but you have to stop counting and just go with the cante and the rhythm. "Como Castillo Arena" has some too I have accompanied buleria dance (from jerez, of course) with odd sixes, where you get a 6, another 6, and then a "6,8,10" ending which is "really" 12,2,4, and then after that you carry on with a standard compas 12,3,6,8,10, same thing as with the cante I play a Gerardo Nunez falseta with odd sixes, i couldn't tell you which six is "odd", it just sort of has a section with an odd number of sixes at the end, i think some of Tomatito's Encuentro stuff is same, maybe the second falseta, i haven't checked... Moraito's bulerias "Buleriando" on "Morao y Oro", same thing, first falseta/intro ends on beat "4" and the 3rd falseta starts on an odd six! (ie he plays 12,2,4 as if it was 6,8,10, and then starts the falseta on 6 as if it were 12) Personally i found this 6 thing very strange at first as was locked into the 12,3,6,8,10 thing, but then listened to jerez bulerias a palo seco and it starts to make sense, the palmas rhythm in sixes, and after a while it's real easy and i don't count (unless you call "tum-tee-tum-tee-tum or tum-tickee-tum-ta-tum-tum" counting LOL) quote:
Make sense? Yeah, thanks Ricardo, that's more or less what i thought what was going on, i just wasn't sure... great response/s, maybe i should re-post my thread about non-trad keys in standard tuning...!
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