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ToddK -> train your ears! (Mar. 20 2008 20:53:53)

Great site.

http://www.teoria.com/index.html

spend a few minutes a day on interval drills.

Little things can mean alot.

TK



XXX -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 7:21:21)

Nice website, but on guitar things are more complicated than piano, because there are several positions to play the same chord, including open strings. So this intervall ear training and learning chords on the guitar (not on music sheet) is the best way imo.



ToddK -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 16:18:34)

No No No!!![:D]

The point is to know scales/chords/intervals by "EAR".

Not to be dependant on a keyboard or fretboard shape!!

Music is in the mind. Not on a guitar, or a keyboard.

Dont limit music to an instrument!! An instrument is only an instrument.
YOU make the music. The guitar just lays there.

TK



Mark2 -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 16:30:34)

Great site, and great advice Todd.



XXX -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 16:35:03)

yea todd, i only mentioned because some exersizes only concentrate on notating without ear training.
but i have to admit its very cool and a lazy method to learn fretboard shapes [:D] learn faster than light



ToddK -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 16:45:52)

Fretboard shapes are a tool, and of course, are useful.

Im not saying dont utilize all that stuff.

I guess i should have been more specific about which part of the site
i meant for people to see.

I called this thread "Train your EARS" so, i assumed you would checkout
the Ear Training, intervals section.
You can ignore the notational sections.[:D]
Find the ear training interval section. It will play you 2 reference notes.

You have to determine what interval you're hearing, just by hearing it.
I think at bare minimum, everybody should be able to identify all 12
intervals by ear.

The next thing to tackle would be building chords.
You can take out your guitar for this one. [;)]



XXX -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 16:53:45)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ToddK

You can ignore the notational sections.[:D]



hehe thats all i wanted to hear LOL (jk)
i actually already had a program on the PC, "Ear Pro" or something... i had planned to do intervall recognition everyday. I only had the patience to do it the first two days. The third day i forgot it [&:] But its great, and REALLY helps.

i can identify all major and minor triads (3,5,7) and the 2s of course. But the 4s and 6s are sounds im not used to, i guess.



guitarbuddha -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 16:58:32)

All good stuff Todd. I went through a phase of doing a load of this stuff. The band in a box program has a load of ear training software built in and I go through brief phases of using it.

I think that the most instrument friendly way of working on ear training is simply playing through tunes by ear in all twelve keys in open position. It forces you to feel for the note and applies the interval training in real time on your instrument.

I use band in a box for this too, since I can get it to play any tune through in all twelve keys.

Since you have to play along and get the tune in real time it is fantastic ear training and twelve key work. Things tend to 'stick' more this way because it is a more emotional and musical experience.

If only somebody 'cool' would suggest this then people here might try it.

D.



ToddK -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 16:59:10)

Yeah, tritones (#4/b5's) and 6ths are the tricky ones at first.[:)]



ToddK -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 17:01:27)

quote:

If only somebody 'cool' would suggest this then people here might try it.


so you're saying im not cool??[:@][:D][:D][8D]


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guitarbuddha -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 17:14:09)

No Todd, you'r way cool. You repeatedly snub me by ignoring me when I address you directly. I went to to school, I know what cool is, thats cool.

Since I am not cool I feel free to agree with you when you make a perfectly sensible suggestion. I can even add another idea without seeming to contradict you.


[8|]
D.



Mark2 -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 17:29:02)

It can help to identify intervals with well known songs - a perfect fourth is the first two notes of "here comes the bride" an octave-first two notes of "somewhere over the rainbow". Major 6th "My Bonnie lies over the ocean" A tri tone is a police siren in some places. Anybody got more? How about for chords?



ToddK -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 17:46:34)

quote:

You repeatedly snub me by ignoring me when I address you directly.


Really?? Can you remind my of a specific occasion?

Never meant to do that. I hold you in very high regard in
this forum. You contribute alot here.
If i snubbed you, i certainly didnt mean to. I apologize.
T



ToddK -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 17:49:21)

quote:

It can help to identify intervals with well known songs - a perfect fourth is the first two notes of "here comes the bride" an octave-first two notes of "somewhere over the rainbow". Major 6th "My Bonnie lies over the ocean" A tri tone is a police siren in some places. Anybody got more? How about for chords?


That's a good strategy for notes played in sequence.

Notes played simultaneously, (chords) are a little different.

Cant think of any strategies for chords. Just repetition, and focus.
T



guitarbuddha -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 19:03:34)

[&o] I'm grumpy.

D.



Mark2 -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 20:19:05)

quote:

ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha

[&o] I'm grumpy.

D.


Is that a minor 2nd?



ToddK -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 20:27:55)

If you're swimming in the ocean, and you start hearing low octave
minor seconds, that usually means there's a great white shark
in the area. Swim faster.[8D]
T



Georg -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 21:15:33)

quote:

A tri tone is a police siren in some places. Anybody got more?


Tri tone: I think when they sing "The Simpsons", the first to notes build a tri tone.



ToddK -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 21:26:57)

quote:

Tri tone: I think when they sing "The Simpsons", the first to notes build a tri tone.


what a great, memorable melody.

And the guy who wrote that (Danny Elfman) doesnt read music.
Interesting side note.[:)]

T



HemeolaMan -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 22:14:32)

thank you todd, i'm glad you posted that. i don't want to shell out the dough for auralia lol.

I forwarded the link to my theory prof, he thanks you too!

What todd is saying is that ideally you will be able to hear all of the intervals and/or be able to generate all the intervals you hear in your head (voice usually the best way) as if it were second nature.

The way this is achieved in university is to scare students to death by making them sight sing music. which is important in developing musicianship.

after all, reading a score and knowing what it will sound like befor eyou play it is a very very very useful skill.



greeny -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 22:16:09)

First two notes of Manha de Carnaval (black orpheus) = flat sixth

Jimi Hendrix's Purple Haze = #4



HemeolaMan -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 21 2008 22:20:28)

oh yeah, major sixth, Sol up to Mi think the NBC theme, Sol Mi Do



michall -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 26 2008 14:17:02)

Good site, but.. Ear master is better

Ehm 
http://rapidshare.com/files/54187277/EarMaster.Pro.v5.608S.rar



bahen -> RE: train your ears! (Mar. 26 2008 18:51:14)

quote:

If you're swimming in the ocean, and you start hearing low octave
minor seconds, that usually means there's a great white shark
in the area. Swim faster.


I knew there was some practical application to ear training. Just couldn't put my finger on it till now. [:D]



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