Ricardo -> RE: Sweeping with the Pulgar? (Mar. 13 2008 5:15:25)
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ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha What's wrong with major seventh agumented eleventh ? Sure and five note scale can be described as pentatonic and also any five note chord can be claimed to be a pentatonic scale. How about A,A#,B,C,D#, mm my facourite. I like my pentatonics to sound , well 'pentatonicy'. I like truly pentatonic chords like the 6/9 chords (major and minor) used in latin music. For me a pentatonic scale has major seconds and minor thirds. In this context tritones are blue notes which may or may note resolve. Notes inserted between major seconds in general are blue notes, notes inserted between minor thirds are allusions to modes. I never saw this written down in theory but it quickly becomes apparent when you play through jazz transcriptions. I would much rather think of arpeggiated five note chords as ....... arpeggiated five note chords ! Adding the label pentatonic is I think of questionable use (unless one is terribly keen to show that they know the latin for five) since it adds no new information. Also I find it to be a distraction from the way that I look at pentatonics since that system seems to work well for me and has some characteristics (above) which distinguish them from other scalar or arpeggio material. D. (spins in cape and flounces off). No problems with having different ways to look at things. Emaj7#11 is fine EXCEPT he uses the C#. You think a pentatonic is a "5 note chord", and still others understand ANY CHORD is the notes of a scale heard all at once. Two sides of the same coin, no problems there. I just thought since you asked "how was it pentatonic" you might care to know. You think of it as a piece of a bigger scale (like I used the term lydian, so simply choice notes from that, right?) when you have the tritone involve. Well how about your fav major/minor pentatonic scales are nothing more than your good ol major and minor scales DELIBERATELY avoiding the tritone? Again, it is just a different way to describe it. The legit reason for taking a "scale fragment", tritone involved or not, and naming it it's own entity, is borrowed right from modal music. In fact those "weird" pentatonics come from Japanese music and have special names like "hirojoshi", at least that is where some metal guys have been stealing them from. The idea is they are not "fragments", but you simply and deliberately avoid certain intervals, and 5 notes= pentatonic scales. Hexatonic could be 6 note scales if you want. Whole tone, etc. H/W diminished scale has 8 notes, so octatonic? Just names to describe, nothing more, not right or wrong. As one experiments, one can come up with any number of "favorites", using 5 notes, 6 notes, 7, 8, 9, etc up to chromatic. You think my personal pentatonic fav is NOT really a separate scale, but I do when I play it, in fact it has even a nice "box pattern". An arp can be a broken chord, or a guitar technique. I dont' have a problem with someone using a pentatonic scale, or any scale for that matter, and calling it an "arpegio technique"...at least as far as guitar is concerned. It all depends HOW you are doing it. Anyway, not trying to change you mind about what you "like" or think pentatonic SHOULD mean, just trying to shed some light on why some people might use a certain terminology. Peace. Ricardo
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