ChiyoDad -> RE: Beginners flamencas at $350 versus $750: Am I getting that much more? (Feb. 28 2008 2:00:03)
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Rain Go With the Yamaha, Ive compared that guitar with every guitar you listed and trust me on this go with the YAMAHA srshea I wouldn't bother looking into the lesser Cordobas. They're no better than the Yamaha, but decidedly pricer. I wonder how other manufacturers feel when they read how folks feel about the Yamaha? quote:
srshea I used to have a Pro F, and can attest to the fact that it's a good guitar: ... Many thanks for this information. The Pro F and the Solista got some nods in another forum so I'd like to consider them. Both have solid cypress backs/sides which I would assume might provide a better and louder sound response if the guitar was built well. I'll inquire with the sellers on eBay, but I'm not that optimistic. I've read more mixed reviews about the Lucida 797 (mentioned by Pgh_flamenco in an earlier post) and it's since been discontinued. I don't know what a fair price would be for a used one. Alhambras are rare birds on eBay and I wouldn't know a fair price on used ones either. Alhambras tend to receive more praise, though. Thankfully, I'm not in a rush and nothing in my upcoming student's repertoire yet requires a golpe - so my La Patrie Presentation is still safe. [:D] quote:
srshea Having said all that, sounds like you really cant go wrong with the Yamaha: cheap, everyone likes it, and a virtually guaranteed potential for resale at a price not too far below your initial investment when the time comes to trade up. And there's been one in the classified forum here lately, broken in and set up properly. Yes. That's Jeff's CG171SF which he's offering at $250 plus shipping. It'd be a great deal if I was in his area and I could try it out. In the San Francisco Bay Area, the CG171SF regularly goes on sale for $299. It probably would work better for me to stick with a local purchase if I go with the Yamaha. quote:
cathulu Just what is that price point for a great flamenco guitar? I'd like to know! $1500? Weren't flamenco guitars built cheaply for the gypsies who have no money? Are not some of these cheap guitars worth a lot of money? And sound great? Ah, it looks like we’re moving into a bit of a different discussion here. But no matter. It should still be fun! [:)] William Cumpiano, who for some folks literally wrote THE book on how to build acoustic guitars, wrote this in one of his newsletters when asked to explain the difference between classic guitars and flamenco guitars: Guitars are essentially cultural artifacts, and flamenco guitars are no exception. The major differences between Flamenco, Spanish and Classical guitars are actually nothing more than... culture and class differences. What are now called flamenco guitars were once just Spanish guitars, like all the other guitars made in Southern Spain for centuries. Unlike vihuelas, guitars were the commoner's instrument and none were more common than those made for the Roma, the outcast Spanish community that created Flamenco music. Instead of being made with expensive imported woods, they were made from a tree that grew like weeds in Spain: Spanish Cypress. Time was, I'm told, you could go to the countryside and throw a rock in any direction and you'd have a good chance of hitting a Cypress tree. The low action may be just a way to get the strings to rattle percussively or, perhaps more likely, the rattling percussive sound is actually a result of the instruments' traditionally rustic and slap-dash construction. So flamenco guitars were originally just Spanish guitars made as cheaply as local artisans knew how. The higher-income players could afford maple, rosewood or mahogany guitars, and could afford mechanical tuners instead of whittled-out wooden pegs. And rattle-free sound. quote:
Pgh_flamenco I recall reading an article about the violins produced in Cremona, Italy and how they won prizes each year. The judges used a double-blind system to eliminate any bias in the judging process—it didn’t make any difference—the winning violins were made in Cremona. Was that Cremona, Italy, or Kremona, Bulgaria? I know that there’s a thriving violin industry in Kremona, Bulgaria. It would certainly give the story added punch if it were the latter. [:D] quote:
Pgh_flamenco I’m going to put together some useful and simple information on flamenco guitars--hopefully tomorrow--on this thread to help orient people. It won’t be exhaustive, but I think people will find it useful… I’ll be looking forward to it! [:)][:)][:)]
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