Ricardo -> RE: Manuel Granados progression analysis (Jan. 29 2008 12:04:58)
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The dorico is being used by many people now. It has become the norm for explaining flamenco harmony. Ricardo, read Manolo's book again and you will see why. I am with you. Phrygian seems much more natural to me. OK, I read it again and got the explanation, thanks man. He was saying the Gregorian modes were not derived from the Greeks, but rather the names were simply used, and wrongly, based on some "numbered" order, which he does not really describe. I would say, the modes might have been derived, but the whole issue of ascending vs descending might have caused confusion. For example, Greek doric or "dorian" in english, has that tetra chord character of the half steps between the 3 and 4. For notes we know that means C-B or F-E, descending. If he went based on whole (w) vs half (h) steps, not the tetra chord, AND ignored the octave needed to make a tetra chord, the greek doric scale ascending, without the octave, is EFGABCD, or hwwwhw, but decending it is whwwwh. Dorian ASCENDING is whwwwh. So he could have confused phrygian descending for Dorian ascending, and assigned the name "dorian" to what he thought was an ascending scale. That "wwh" being the key thing to the phrygian cadence from Greek doric, is also the last couple notes Ascending of gregorian dorian. Both beloved modes respectively, and now it appears share the same name, but a different sound and vibe. About the other 2 modes described by Granados of the greeks, I see they are the only ones that have the same half step interval location in both tetra chords. But what about the other beautiful modes available??? My point is that in modern times, it is pointless to used the same term to describe two very different things, just because one might be more "historically" correct. The point of theory is to make some sort of application available and practical. Save the proper "doric" usage for music history class. Ricardo EDIT, oh you probably meant Manolo Sanlucar? I refer to MANUEL Granados book above sorry.
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