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Miguel de Maria -> carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 26 2004 14:26:21)
Just watched Flamenco for the 2nd time, after about 3 years, last night. I had remembered it as being pretty easy to watch, thought maybe it would be a good way to introduce certain aspects of flamenco to my wife. Ooops! That thing is 75% cante... she fell asleep and that's a good thing. I enjoyed it very much, although it's a little shocking to see these cantaors spilling it all on the stage when you've been away from Spain for almost a year. These guys got some pipes. I'm a little suspicious, though, how these guys can go at it full tilt and not sing a bit off key. Did they use some pitch correction, perhaps? If not, very impressive indeed. Another thing that really stuck out at me was just how good of a guitar player Manolo Sanlucar is. He flies over the fingerboard and his left hand looks to be using about as much pressure as if he were using a slide. Effortless playing! And so smooth and clean. Makes me feel like some kind of gorilla when I play. And is it just me, or is Paco really cool? Would I think he were as cool if he were not the Godfather? He just looks good when he plays. Except the fakey parts where they told him to smile at his brother and act like he's having fun. I met Chocolate last year and he looks a lot older. I also met Jose Menese last summer and he does too. But that piece he sang in the movie was great.

Ron.M -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 26 2004 16:43:13)
quote: thought maybe it would be a good way to introduce certain aspects of flamenco to my wife. Mike, My wife is an absolute expert at judging good Flamenco. If it's got a clapalong 4/4 beat and a repeating chorus then it's good. Anything else is just an arhythmic dischordant noise, made worse by some general shouting by a drunk man with bad teeth. She does like the GK's though......[:D]

Guest -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 26 2004 20:33:18)
Sauras flamenco is a wonderfull film, and I agree that Sanlucar has got a very effortless tecnique. I´m a huge fan of Sanlucar, and still think that Tauromagia is one of the best flamenco titles ever.

Escribano -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 26 2004 21:10:54)
quote: thought maybe it would be a good way to introduce certain aspects of flamenco to my wife I had the same idea, my wife left home shortly after[:D]

Guest -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 27 2004 1:12:53)
¡Que buena suerte! Sean

Jon Boyes -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 27 2004 7:43:31)
Fantastic film - is there anyone here who hasn't seen it? I was going to post something about my favourite bits - Sanlucar's Alegrias is definitely up there (isn't that a classical guitar??), La fernanda De Utrera's Solea with Gastor accompanying is just so powerful, but why does he cut her short?? The Camaron tribute Buleria with Potito, Tomatito et al - wow! Nice Tangos in there too, and the Fandangos De Huelva round the table is pretty cool. The baile is beautifully filmed - the lighting is excellent. Anyway, essential viewing for anyone into flamenco, methinks. Great cross section of trad, contemporary, and rumba pop even (Ketama do a cool rumba at the end). Jon

Ron.M -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 27 2004 12:48:41)
One of the lasting impressions I have from the movie is that young girl (gitana?) dancing in everyday clothes and flat shoes to a buleria. (the first number). The expression on her face says everything. She looks like she's in another world, dancing not just for an audience, but for her own joy. Her baile is so effortless and expressive. I get the feeling she didn't go to any dance school to learn that! cheers Ron

Tenshu -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 27 2004 14:06:28)
Oh, man, Ron, I hear you... Barullo singing an amazing copla... No me hagas desprecio gitana que yo soy Santo y bueno gitana yo me voy con mi madre gitana nada más que quieres dinero gitana ya no me voy contigo gitana The girl takes her place to return to her seat. The first dancer, already seated, fills in two beats with his upper body in some sort of spasm(in compas!). And when she returns, every single man/woman present returns with her. Take another look at that buleria, but instead of looking at the protagonist, take a look at the guys in the background. It's like they're one entity, one organism... Damnit, just TYPING about it gives me shivers.

Escribano -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (with lyrics) (Mar. 27 2004 15:03:15)
For me it's... Un cuento para mi niño (Poema por bulerias) Lole y Manuel Erase una vez, un mariposa blanca que era la reina de todas las mariposas del alba, se posaba en los jardines, entre las flores más bellas, y le susurraba historias al clavel y a la violeta..... Then to see her sing it in Jerez this year was the icing on my cake. All the lyrics to the movie are here http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Quarter/1650/flamenco/levyletrat/saurasoundtrack.html

Miguel de Maria -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 27 2004 15:37:40)
I liked that one too Simon. I really enjoyed the Manolo Sanlucar one, although I don't like the facial expressions. I think I enjoyed the Jose Menese one the most. Did I tell you guys about the time I snuck into the Caves of Nerja and met Jose Menese and Enrique de Melchor?

Ron.M -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 27 2004 21:09:47)
quote: Another thing that really stuck out at me was just how good of a guitar player Manolo Sanlucar is. He flies over the fingerboard and his left hand looks to be using about as much pressure as if he were using a slide. Effortless playing! Agreed! But Tomatito presses really hard with his left hand fingers! And he's pretty quick and smooth player himself! So who's playing correctly? [:D] Ron

Miguel de Maria -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 27 2004 21:17:01)
I don't know Ron, I think Manolo. The reason is that if you press hard, that increases your potential of injuring yourself. This can be a big factor if, like me, you play 3-4 hours a day and sometimes have gigs taht are 4 hours long. I want to be playing until I am old, real old--well at least until I'm your age, Ron! :)

Ron.M -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 27 2004 21:39:58)
Well Mike, Tomatito's getting on a bit himself, and he still plays relatively OK for an old injured man. Ron

Miguel de Maria -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 27 2004 22:19:08)
Sure, Chocolate's 70 years old and still sings OK. But I don't think my vocal chords would hold up if I tried to sing like that!

Ron.M -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 28 2004 10:32:31)
Sure, but to do that you've got to smoke 100 Ducados a day and lay off the moth killer.

Miguel de Maria -> RE: carlos saura's flamenco (Mar. 28 2004 16:39:53)
When I met Chocolate I think there was a copa in front of him.

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