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mediocre -> Request: Fine tremolo (Nov. 27 2007 0:49:11)

Ey people! I have been playing guitar for a long time and every time i found a tremolo in a song, i always look for another song to learn. Tremolo is one of the most scary flamenco guitar skill for me, but today i get tired of avoid it and i want to learn it, so if someone know about a nice tremolo or a song with it, pleaaseee tell me, i don't know where i can start from!!

any advice, song?? anything??

Thanks!



mediocre -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo (Nov. 28 2007 13:15:07)

Ey somebody heeeeelp!![:(]



Arash -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo (Nov. 28 2007 13:21:45)

MY Tremolo also sucked and still sucks a big deal.
So i challanged myself and am trying to learn a let say not so easy tremolo from Chicuelo.
I tabbed this Tremolo. For me, it is one of the best tremolos i have ever heard (but this is taste)

You can find it in the tab section (Chicuelo Granaina Tremolo).
If you have guitar pro, it would be the best.
You can slow down the tempo, etc. and practice.

However there are so many other tremolos. I will have a look on my files when i get home today and find other things for you.



John O. -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo (Nov. 28 2007 13:24:02)

Mediocre, could you send me a vid of your tremolo playing? I could send a vid back with corrections or something. Tremolo is one of my favorites.



Jan Willem -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo (Nov. 29 2007 9:20:24)

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Tremolo is one of my favorites.


[:)]

I don't think it' that difficult. Just make sure your handposition is ok!!! and then slowly do the iami thing and speed it up.
John O can help you for sure, he has a great tremolo.

Picado is the hard one for me



mediocre -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo (Nov. 29 2007 22:29:49)

Ey thank you Arash i'll try that tremolo too, let's see who learn it sooner!!

Ey john o, i don't have camera for record me yet, but my will is to buy one soon, so i'll upload when i buy. My problem i think is that i didn't practice much this technic, because i haven't found a nice tremolo, i don't play any tremolo yet [:)], anyway every time i have tried i had problems with the nail of my 3rd finger (a finger), it's always too short, and you can notice a note missing. It's difficult for me to have the nails ready.

Thank you all, let's see how's chicuelo's tremolo.



John O. -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo (Nov. 29 2007 23:47:32)

Oh yeah, my nails are all about 1/2mm difference in length, i is shortest and a is longest. I think it's fits to playing at a slight angle as most do.

Important is that you get the fingers pulling inward towards the palm (better for tirando, arpeggios too) instead of horizontally across the strings (better for apoyando) and get the ima fingers independent from the thumb. This gets the movement very small, smooth and even. There are a few tremolos from Sabicas I know that are all on the first string, farruca, guajira and verdiales - all good for intermediate players starting out with tremolo. I'll post them for you!



John O. -> RE: Farruca falseta (Dec. 6 2007 0:20:37)

for Farruca in minor. First a short explanation of how I do it, then normal speed, then slow for learning the falseta. It's weird explaining to a camera [:D]

Comments, questions, corrections, critisizms, anything welcome! I'm doing this to help and maybe start a trend... [:D]



kg -> RE: Farruca falseta (Dec. 6 2007 0:37:32)

John, how did you manage to force your fingers to bend only in the middle (2nd joint, from the top)? Did you have any specific excercise for that, except the tremolo itself?

I heard of people playing with jar caps in their palms, in order to minimize their finger movement ;) I'd really like to avoid this ;)



John O. -> RE: Farruca falseta (Dec. 6 2007 7:16:27)

The technique ended up that way after a lot of trying out, I didn't need any specific training for it. I said the fingers move in towards the palm, I guess more correct would be towards where the palm and the fingers meet.

This is also not necessarily the technique for everyone, it wouldn't make sense to do excersizes to force your fingers to do this exact technique if you have a different hand. More important for speed and tone is to find the spot on the corners of your nails where all three fingers can brush over the string with the least amount of movement/stress.



kg -> RE: Farruca falseta (Dec. 6 2007 9:31:45)

You're right, I guess minimizing unnecessary movement just comes with practice and time.



John O. -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo - does anyone care? (Dec. 8 2007 17:16:04)

At the rist of again noone watching or commenting (except for 1, which I do appreciate) I still decided to put up the Farruca major and the Guajira tremolo from Sabicas. There's probably an easier way to play that ending of the Guajiras than with the pinkey barre - works for my hand though. In any case both are intermediate for the left hand but great for beginning tremolo because it's all on the 1st string.

If nobody responds I guess I'll just call BS on all you compainers and only use the Foro for showing off in the future - egotistical buggers... [:D]





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John O. -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo - does anyone care? (Dec. 8 2007 18:07:43)

NOPE it's not about you, but the fact that you think it is is very revealing [:D]

I do believe you were complaining as well about people not responding to things you've posted as a favor because they're busy watching the fights.

Thanks for watching and your comment!



John O. -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo - does anyone care? (Dec. 8 2007 18:09:44)

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A bit dark, but if I were a lurker I wouldn't complain.


Too obsessed with practising and too lazy to go to the store to buy a lightbulb [:D]



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kg -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo (Dec. 8 2007 19:04:32)

F*ck tremolo. It's f*cking lame. Moving fingers so fast, it's sooo gay. Let me just practice my pulgar falsetas.



John O. -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo - does anyone care? (Dec. 8 2007 19:28:16)

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Wish I had more of that.
I try to tap into that energy I had when I was fifteen. As I get older it is more about discipline and also trying to find new ways of practicing...to keep my attention long term.


Well for me at almost 31 the energy isn't gone - yet. If I have the chance I can still put the 4 hours in, it's just usually not the case. I never get bored of practising - ever. My parents and others have told me I have a slightly autistic personality in this sense, I get itchy or even depressed if I don't practise enough. So you don't want TOO much of that energy [:D]

I have a structured plan for practising + repertoire that lasts 2 hours so I know where the beginning and the end is. I'm pretty absent minded as well and have in the past gotten though many shows with luck not knowing the material well enough even though I'm practising for hours a day - a few times have been unlucky.

After practise I try composing, learning new pieces and stuff, or if I'm not feeling creative I'll go through the plan again...



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randy.poffo -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo (Dec. 9 2007 5:19:23)

John, that is a wonderful tremolo you have.

By the way, I've heard just as many "gay" pulgar falsetas as I have tremolos. I agree with romerito, that it all depends on the composer.



kg -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo (Dec. 9 2007 12:10:06)

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ORIGINAL: romerito
Hey Kg. What's up?
Yeah, tremolo CAN be gay. Depends on the composer.
There have been some very profound tremolos.

That was kind of a joke ;) I called it gay because I'm having a hard time playing it. So frustrating :(



guitartennis -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo (Dec. 9 2007 13:16:16)

Thanks very much for the videos and advice John, they are both greatly appreciated.



John O. -> RE: Request: Fine tremolo (Dec. 9 2007 14:37:54)

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That was kind of a joke ;)


Kind of assumed that - it was done very dryly though [:D]



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