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koella -> brass score (Nov. 11 2007 20:55:39)

Nothing to do with flamenco.

But today I delivered a score for a "brassband" ( trumpet, flute, alto sax, tenor sax, clarinet, f-horn, trombone, bariton, bass)
I knew the theory, but I never actually did something like this.

It was very exciting to hear my own music played by about 18 musicians.
I'm a happy man. At least for a day. Tomorrow I'll be back on those miserable picado studies.[:D]

Did anyone of you ever do such a thing ?



guitarbuddha -> RE: brass score (Nov. 12 2007 2:46:49)

Congratulations.[:)]



HemeolaMan -> RE: brass score (Nov. 12 2007 7:04:18)

i would like to read the score. may i see it? i am interested =)

if you have a sibelius or finale file i like those best, pdf is also cool. no jpegs! lol jk

I score alot of things for theory class, and i arrange some things on the side too.



koella -> RE: brass score (Nov. 12 2007 8:37:56)

Thank you guys.
And no, I won't upload it, since it isn't mine anymore.[:)]



Ailsa -> RE: brass score (Nov. 12 2007 9:50:10)

Impressive - you must have a pretty good knowledge of music theory. Must be great to hear a group play something you've worked hard on. [:)]



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koella -> RE: brass score (Nov. 12 2007 11:54:16)

Thank you.
Yes I worked hard on it.
Actually there where three songs, but I messed up two of them a little bit.
Too high notes for the trombone and the altosax players were not able to lift the main melody over the other instruments, so I have to thicken it with trumpets.
[&:]



hassurbanipal -> RE: brass score (Nov. 12 2007 13:45:34)

hey koella,
as you probably are not upload the score it will be the same for a sound example?
I would love to hear a little bit, is it also related to flamenco or has it nothing to do with it? (I mean modes, rythm etc, not with guitar ofcourse)

alvast bedankt
Andy



koella -> RE: brass score (Nov. 12 2007 14:41:10)

Haha, No, I'm not gonna upload it.
And you're not missing anything.Nothing to do with flamenco. It's more fanfare like.



hassurbanipal -> RE: brass score (Nov. 12 2007 16:26:07)

you can't blame a men for trying.....
well, congretulations , and to answer your question, i have also made something for a brass band.
But I did try to use the modes and rythm of flamenco, alltough it was worth the effort and did'nt succeed as good as I wanted too.
But I've learned a lot about music, and how you transcribe something in notes and maybe more important with feeling.....

that's why I was interested



koella -> RE: brass score (Nov. 12 2007 22:01:43)

Allright.
yes the feeling is very important.
I had to give advices of how to play the notes.
You can't put that on paper.
When you make something on a guitar, you play it yourself.
But when 18 different characters play your sheetmusic, a lot of information is not on paper. That was a real eye-opener for me.



johnguitars -> RE: brass score (Nov. 13 2007 4:39:38)

Years ago, I wrote for "Big Band". I stood accused of writing in the vein of "Eric Dolphy" to whom I had never heard. Now, 30 years later, I am just now attempting to play "Flamenco". Since most of my compositions back then were in multi-meters (including individual instruments departing in different meters and rejoining after the accented beats aligned)----I really love Flamenco, as it would appear to do these things and has for quite some time!! Getting a "Jazz" horn section to play in "multi-meters" is a b.... though![:@][:@]



koella -> RE: brass score (Nov. 13 2007 11:08:55)

Hi John.
Do you happen to know any books or other material about arranging bigband/brass music ?



johnguitars -> RE: brass score (Nov. 23 2007 16:17:03)

Like I said, it was over 30 years ago. It was in Detroit Michigan USA. We had for professors a bunch of former "Motown" session men teaching jazz (be-bop style). Like Flamenco, it was kind of an oral tradition. You would write the charts and hand them to the players and listen to the result. Of course their are too many variables to mention (players abilities-styles-etc..) that would shape the end result. It was basically trial and error learning for me. If I run across any old books I will let you know. There is the mechanical aspects of learning to write for each instrument in it's clef etc...



duende -> RE: brass score (Nov. 23 2007 19:19:32)

yup. i´ve done severel arrangements for jazz groups 4 bariton,tenore,Alto,sopran sax. etc..

never done a full big band score. to lazy.[:D]



koella -> RE: brass score (Nov. 23 2007 21:04:27)

Hey John, that's fantastic. Composing for motown veterans.
What I'm specific looking for is not the theoretical art of voicings. You know, like how to let a chord flow into another, or what the specific range of an instrument is.

I'm more interested in colors by mixing instruments,
what voice for what instrument (s).
And how to make choices for that.

@ Henrik: Any books about that, or advices you could give me ?
Like how to start best ? Should I first make a simple pianosheet for the voicings ?
Can I pm you about that ?



Mark2 -> RE: brass score (Nov. 23 2007 21:57:24)

koella,

I have a book something like that at home. I'll dig it out and post the info. Not sure it's what your looking for, but who knows.



koella -> RE: brass score (Nov. 23 2007 22:25:12)

That would be terrific Mark !



duende -> RE: brass score (Nov. 24 2007 22:41:33)

koella, i have only swedish books about it[&:] but i know there are some books about arranging from berkley or something, cant remember the´r name right now[&o]



koella -> RE: brass score (Nov. 24 2007 23:08:10)

It's allright Henrik.
I found a site with the berkley books.
Thanks.



Mark2 -> RE: brass score (Nov. 25 2007 18:51:55)

http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Arranger-Composer-Book/dp/0910468052

Not sure it's what your looking for, but it's a classic. There is a section on "experimental material for the progressive arranger-composer" The whole book is full of great insight.



johnguitars -> RE: brass score (Nov. 25 2007 23:55:51)

Yes, I used this book years ago. As I recall it is good--but nothing is better than trial and error and hearing.



koella -> RE: brass score (Nov. 26 2007 23:25:01)

Thank you Mark and John.
Already saw the book at a publishers website. But nothing beats mouth to mouth advertising.

The trial and error method is in full motion.[:)]



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