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henrym3483 -> NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 15 2007 23:14:05)

ordered some cds from flamenco-world.com, got el viejins algo que decir and chicuelos complices, both are cracking albums, recommend them to anyone, chicuelos stuff is some of the funkiest stuff ive heard in ages.

as re the cante stuff i got aurora vargas's acero, wow what a voice,
and duquende's c with tomatito which kicks ass.



Florian -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 16 2007 4:32:39)

they great albums

Chicuelos album i would have loved more without the over the top effects and overproduction, i love what he plays and how he plays in Encuerto , just raw.

his Album dosent have the same effect on me as him playing the same thing in Encuerto does.

But both albums are greate a must have in a good guitar collection.



Ailsa -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 16 2007 10:33:15)

Thanks for those recommendations - there's so much stuff out there it can be hard to know where to start.

@Flo - I got that Santiago Lara CD that you recommended and really love it - specially track 5 which is a Rondena with beautiful cante.

Don't know much about Rondena - anyone got a definition?



Stu -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 16 2007 10:54:25)

Rondena is one of my favourites,
Think its always played with different tuning. D,A,D,F#,B,E.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronde%C3%B1a

Check this out.

Also Check out moraitos Rondena on morao y oro
And Gerardos Donde duerme la Luna on album El Gallo Azul
And Trasgo on Andando El Tiempo

Couple of my favourites
Stu

ps. just wrote huge feedback post in events (RE: Guitar course) and went to submit it and computer screwed up. Will rewrite later.



John O. -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 16 2007 14:46:15)

From Wikipedia:
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In dance, having had no time signature at one time, the rondeña displays a rhythm of wild abandon. Some dancers have used the rhythm of the taranto, which has many similarities but, being rondeña, more open and evocative.


I always thought, though freely played, the time signature is pretty clear. Taranto is 4/4. Rondeña, related to fandangos, is danced 3/4. You can hear the 3/4 in every tremolo por rondeña ever played...



Ricardo -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 16 2007 15:51:12)

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ORIGINAL: John O.

From Wikipedia:
quote:

In dance, having had no time signature at one time, the rondeña displays a rhythm of wild abandon. Some dancers have used the rhythm of the taranto, which has many similarities but, being rondeña, more open and evocative.


I always thought, though freely played, the time signature is pretty clear. Taranto is 4/4. Rondeña, related to fandangos, is danced 3/4. You can hear the 3/4 in every tremolo por rondeña ever played...


Rondeña cante is very close to Malagueña/Verdiales type stuff. Hard to tell the difference if you dont' know that melody. Guitar accomp is same like Verdiales etc, in E phrygrian.

But the Rondeña on Ramon Montoya's album tuned as menioned, became a standard that guitar solo variations are based, but has NOTHING to do with the cante equivalent. It really is free so the rhythmic parts are sometimes 3, sometimes 2 or 4, etc, it is very open. The unwritten rule of tremolos in free palos are supposed to be in 3 is standard, a way to remember Fandangos which most of the free forms are bases on. But really there is no rule so a tremolo in 2 or 4 would not make any aficionados say "wrong". Taranto is a free fandango type melody, but when danced in 2 or 4, the compas is important, and no one says that it is "wrong" do dance that in 4.

Granainas is often loosely based in 3 too, another fandangos type form. I had to play a bit of Granaina for baile. It was not meant to be real rhythmical. I added a tremolo in that key that was in 4, and no one was the wiser (meaning the dancers nor the singers), and it fit real nice to what they were doing. In another concert I played for a gypsy singer, his solo was granaina. I did that tremolo in 4 and he had no probs with it, so I never thought much about it. Last year a friend was in Manolo Sanlucar's workshop and said some guy played granaina super free and Manolo said "no it is all wrong, you have to make Granaina feel like 3". So there you go. But his Rondeña tremolo is certainly not in 3. Nunez has a great tremolo in 3 that he leaves a beat pause so it feels like 4 for sure.

Oh also, I just remembered a weird "rondeña" on Carmen amaya's record that she sings but it is in 4 and certainly not like the Verdiales melody. I will listen again to see what was going on there.


Ricardo



Florian -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 16 2007 16:00:21)

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Flo - I got that Santiago Lara CD that you recommended and really love it - specially track 5 which is a Rondena with beautiful cante.


Great [:)] glad to hear it.



John O. -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 16 2007 16:52:23)

Thanks Ricardo. I always found toque libre the toughest to understand, seems just about all the rules are unwritten. There's no real 100% structure to it you can learn from a book [:@]



HemeolaMan -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 17 2007 0:57:37)

i think ricardo is from another planet, and since he's a silicon based life form he lives longer than most carbon based life forms.

thus he has been able to study humans and by extension flamenco, since its onset.

also, his granular, and sometimes goopy silicon composition makes him a perfect candidate for playing guitar because he can change his density at will.

he also enjoys long walks on the beach, which are perfect because he is not water soluble.



Ricardo -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 17 2007 2:45:53)

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ORIGINAL: HemeolaMan

i think ricardo is from another planet, and since he's a silicon based life form he lives longer than most carbon based life forms.

thus he has been able to study humans and by extension flamenco, since its onset.

also, his granular, and sometimes goopy silicon composition makes him a perfect candidate for playing guitar because he can change his density at will.

he also enjoys long walks on the beach, which are perfect because he is not water soluble.


Hmmm, not exactly humanoid, but if you try to reveal our true nature again, we will have to destroy you... (targeting Sears tower).....



Adam -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 17 2007 5:26:59)

Ailsa, if you want cool guitar rondeña, absolutely recommend Emilio Maya's rondeña "Eshavira" on his album. Actually...hey...if you don't have that album...get it!! Tangos, bulería, rondeña, minera, and zapateo are all some of the best (if not the best) I've heard in their respective styles.

F*** I miss Granada [:(][:D]



John O. -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 17 2007 13:44:27)

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sometimes goopy


Yes, it's only sometimes that he's goopy [:D][:D][:D]



Ailsa -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 17 2007 14:41:04)

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ORIGINAL: ramparts
Emilio Maya's..... if you don't have that album...get it!!

I do have it and the Rondena is lovely - just haven't quite figured out the form of a rondena yet!

quote:


F*** I miss Granada [:(][:D]

Me too. I'm so jealous of Kate and Harold, and Pimientito. One of my dance teachers really loves Sevilla - she says it's her favourite city - but I didn't feel as comfortable there as I do in Granada. Perhaps because it's a smaller city? Dunno, it just felt 'right'.

You got plans to go again Adam?



John O. -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 17 2007 16:21:10)

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just haven't quite figured out the form of a rondena yet


Me neither though I can usually spot one when I hear it. Ricardo, please apply your goopy talents and see if you can explain it. If anyone, you can. I have never heard it explained, only that experience will make it clear. Not there yet.



Kate -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 17 2007 16:42:47)

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ORIGINAL: Ailsa
One of my dance teachers really loves Sevilla - she says it's her favourite city - but I didn't feel as comfortable there as I do in Granada. Perhaps because it's a smaller city? Dunno, it just felt 'right'.


I love Sevilla but not sure I would want to live there. A friend from Granada has just spent the whole summer there and was very homesick. No mountains, just flat olive groves surrounding it and the heat in summer is unbearavle, it seems to get hotter at ight whereas Granada cools down and the evenings are a joy. Two of my flamenco friends have just moved there, possibly more work for them in a bigger city, so am interested to see how they find it. El Bola also moved there from Granada due to more work opportunities. His album is now out, flamenco jazz with Jorge Prado but am stilll waiting for my copy to arrive. The other thing is the tapas, I mean they come free with every drink that has to be a big plus [:D]

Dont be jealous Ailsa your time will come you know it will [;)] just that right now London flamenco scene needs you !

saludos
Kate



nhills -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 17 2007 16:54:27)

The new Miguel Ochando album looks interesting & Emilio Maya is the second guitar.

Interview

The two clips on youTube of him are VERY traditional:




Norman



Adam -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 17 2007 18:25:36)

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Me too. I'm so jealous of Kate and Harold, and Pimientito. One of my dance teachers really loves Sevilla - she says it's her favourite city - but I didn't feel as comfortable there as I do in Granada. Perhaps because it's a smaller city? Dunno, it just felt 'right'.

You got plans to go again Adam?


Oooh, I'd like to someday, but it's not as easy to get from the U.S.A. to Spain as it is from England to Spain...I actually flew through London each way so basically it's a trip from NYC to London on top! [:D] We'll see, though, I might be working in Europe this summer (hopefully) so who knows? Can you make it down there often, since the flight's so short?

My choice for the past summer was between Granada and Sevilla, and having been to both now (although Sevilla only for a weekend) I'm so glad I chose Granada! Yeah, Sevilla's too hot in the summer, no mountains, seems less personal...Granada is just quite comfortable, I think :)

The Ochando looks interesting!!



Ailsa -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 17 2007 18:32:29)

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ORIGINAL: ramparts
Can you make it down there often, since the flight's so short?


We go to the south of Spain once every month - six weeks. It's about a 2 hour drive to Granada from our flat, so we probably go up there for a short visit 3 or 4 times a year.

Yeah, I know I'm lucky to live within relatively easy access to Spain. Mustn't grumble!![:D]



Adam -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 17 2007 18:40:24)

[:D] really! here i am (across the pond) hoping to get there in the next few years, and you're complaining. for shame [;)]



Estevan -> RE: NEW CDS YIPPEEE (Oct. 17 2007 19:03:57)

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really! here i am (across the pond) hoping to get there in the next few years, and you're complaining. for shame

I second that [>:]



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