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Stu -> When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 12 2007 15:43:32)

This is really a question for those guitarists on the forum that regularly play for dancers and singers.

When did you start playing for dancers/singers??
How many years had you played before you started accompanying?
Was it too soon/too late??

I ask cos I want to start but am obviously a little nervous/apprehensive.

Stu




Florian -> RE: When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 12 2007 16:15:59)

if u havent done it before it always feels too soon
and it could never ever be too late

i started accompaning about 3 months after i started learning guitar, was kind of pushed into it by my teacher who said the dancers teacher said to go into classes.

that really was too soon [:D]

but it happened and i did, i guess i jumped in the deep end and there was nothing i could do about it.

dont think to much about it, it will never feel right , and nothing can prepare u for it, ul have that learning experience to go trough.

having good compas, rythm and no ego is the only thing u need to get started
( and i didnt even have those when i started so..)

no matter how good u are if u dontr know it , you wont know it, u have to learn it

to prepare..

listen to solo compas, listen out for llamadas, make sure u know and understand the counts of the palo u are accompaning, practice your compas

chances are you gonna start on a beginner dancers class, and they dont know, the only person that knows will be your dance teacher ... and she understands, so theres nothing to worry about.

ps. accompanyng dancers and accompaning singers are 2 different things, here u get very very litlle time with the singers for reherals mibe once before the show, u practice and learn using recordings, if u lucky u might get 2 tryes at any one palo.

because theres only 2 of them here in my city and theres not that much competition for them, they kind of get away with anything ( they got the run of this town) ... they dont like to reherse too much [:D][:D]

good luck




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duende -> RE: When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 12 2007 19:16:29)

i still havent done any of it. only bits and pieces here and there when i have gotten the chance. Im probably much better at cante acompanyment since i spen sometime every day playing to cante on cd. also try to study the melody to get the "key" to the chord changes. specialy the cante libre stuff.




Ricardo -> RE: When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 12 2007 20:01:58)

Been playing guitar since 1987, electric at first, rock.

Started listening to flamenco in 1991. Started collecting recordings 1993-5.

Started to actually learn flamenco guitar seriously in 1995.

Got a real flamenco guitar in 1997 and started playing for dance classes.

Accompanied first singing only of the dance teachers or as second guitar until

1999 accompanied alone the first "real" cantaores. also first went to Spain in 1999.

Ricardo




jshelton5040 -> RE: When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 12 2007 22:35:03)

I bought a guitar in 1959 to learn how to play flamenco. First dancer I worked with was probably 1962. Accompanied dance classes and performed with dancers and singers extensively from around 1964-5 until 1987 when I retired from performance. My wife Susan is a retired flamenco dancer. We performed up and down the west coast of the US and in Japan.




Mark2 -> RE: When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 12 2007 22:41:41)

I started playing guitar in 1975, went on the road with my first pro band in 1979. I took up flamenco in 1983, and started playing for dancers in probably 1993 or so. Singers a few years after that. I waited WAY too long to do that, but since there were a lot of guitarists around my area, that's when the first real opportunity came my way. I bailed on the local flamenco scene maybe four or five years ago. Sometimes I miss it, sometimes not.




John O. -> RE: When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 13 2007 8:33:04)

I played electric till I was 16 and picked up a classical when I saw David Qualey, a modern solo guitarist, play live. Within a couple years I was playing classical (untrained) and by 20 first listened to "Fuente y Caudal".
By the time I saw on TV, which I'm sure you all know, I was hooked and did nothing else.

I spent WAY too much time doodling around at home with an undefined goal of somehow becoming a great guitarist. I always wanted to do it professionally but didn't have the right mindset. Things like playing in groups and accompanying are best learned as a teenager when you have more time and learning capacity. Not that I'm so old, I just noticed that at 30 things aren't as quick to learn as they once were.

Still at 27 I kicked myself in the ass. I spent a year sitting in a flamenco dance school next to a local experienced flamenco guitarist and played along with him. Switched to an open spot in another flamenco school and noticed it's a LOT more difficult to do alone. I've been doing that for 2 years just strumming chords and am just now at the point where I can try out falsetas during the class. My problem was always the nervousness of messing up in front of a group, but it's something you have to do.

So no, it's never too late, but the later you start the more difficult it'll be...




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Ailsa -> RE: When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 13 2007 17:30:58)

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ORIGINAL: val
Going to see him in Malaga next week.

Will you stoppit already! We know you are going to Malaga. We are duly jealous!!! [;)]




XXX -> RE: When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 13 2007 18:58:55)

Wow i didnt know we have such experienced accompainists on the foro :)

I started guitar 2002, flamenco 2003. Accompayning for 4 months or so. There is no flamenco scene here, so everybody is happy to have a guitarrist, and i am happy to have the opportunity to accompain, and gather experience. Its alot of fun, but i also want to go in the solo guitar direction, which was actually my aim in starting flamenco.




duende -> RE: When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 13 2007 20:40:32)

im only 1hrs away from a working flamenco scene but what do you know.
the flamenco classes are on tuesdays and thursdays when i work late[:@][:@]
yet i have a short day on wednesday witch would be perfect and i am completly free on fridays so i could go and accompany, but its just my luck i tell ya.[:@][:@]




Stu -> RE: When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 14 2007 12:47:06)

Hey fellas,
This is some great info!
I'm gonna start to look into making some in roads on the flamenco scene in London.
I guess I just need to dive in. I've been playing guitar for 12 years (flamenco for 5) so I should be in a fair position to start, seeing as most of you guys started within the first year or two I better get on with it!

Stu




Ailsa -> RE: When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 14 2007 13:09:12)

Well Stu I have a place you can start! The London Pena on 11th November is holding a Juerga, where students can book a slot and perform. (Needless to say I'm dancing not playing [&:]). These happen 3 times a year, and nearly always there's 1001 dancers and 1 guitarist, so we need more guitarists to come and strut their stuff. Or whatever the guitarist equivalent is.

I was going to mention it at the guitar course in October anyway. You'll also meet lots of student dancers there, and the guitarist for one of the biggest dance schools in London usually plays for some of them, and it might be good to have a chat with him. Don't know if he has people sitting in with him in classes, but it's worth asking.

5 years of flamenco should put you in a good position to have a go.

Any other Londoners out there like to have a try?

A




John O. -> RE: When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 14 2007 13:52:15)

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From Chusco I learned how to not be a prisoner to a falseta. How to not be a prisoner to a dancer's steps.


Two points of mine I constantly try to work on. The former is my fear of leaving a falseta I'm confident with and going off into an unknown area. Little by little I force myself to do this more and more though.

Sometimes I'm also not sure when to play accenting the dancers exact steps and when to play exact compás to make dancer's contras come out stronger. Especially in a dance school they should learn to dance around compás but sometimes the syncopation is so out there it makes more sense to play along with the dancers.

I saw a video of somebody accompanying serranas recently, though the right elements were all there he was literally all over the fret board the whole time playing some beautiful things.

Are there any tips you could give about these two things and how you learned them?




xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: When did you start accompanying?? (Sep. 14 2007 14:56:04)

same here, i started in my second year, now, entering the third and second season accompanying...it seems so easy but it can be so difficult at first, trying to follow the dancers that are either out of compás, or variating the rhythm in an unfamiliar way...i don't dare to play long falsetas as sometimes they have trouble following them, plus i can get confused too...so sticking to chords only and maybe very small variations and they seem happy about it...in fact it really gets boring playing the same thing over and over for months, my group is not a performing one in principle, but we had to show ourselves once or twice...
i really would love to play for a singer, but as you can guess, there are an exact number of zero of them in my country...too bad...




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