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Filip -> Learning Compas - Resources (Aug. 30 2007 15:00:23)

Well, I have a great will to learn compas but a big problem are resources! I know I have to start from the basic forms and easy pieces, but I don't have them! I don't have nether the songs nor the partituras! So, I need all your help, if anyone can give me something to start with!!! Thanks




Georg -> RE: Learning Compas - Resources (Aug. 30 2007 15:45:08)

Download Thomas's handbooks.

http://home.comcast.net/~flamencoguitar/flamenco.html




Raimundo -> RE: Learning Compas - Resources (Aug. 30 2007 15:50:03)

hi Filip
It's grate to will to learn compas, (i was in same your position doesn't know any thing about compas) I search a lot in internet until i find this web site:

http://www.graf-martinez.com/

in this web site you will find lot of information about compas and flamenco also you can buy the study kit and start learning. Every things explained in good way [:)]

hope it will help you




Paleto -> RE: Learning Compas - Resources (Aug. 30 2007 23:07:03)

Filip,

It's great the you express the desire to work on compás, it is so, so important.

You should think about how you learn best, visually, auditorily, tapping your foot, whatever modes you feel help are fine. In fact, if you can learn using all th eavailable ways, that's probably the best.

You need to spend a little money on the things that have been brought to market, but there are also good free ones to use too:

1) Check out the resource GuxDiBux mentions
2) Consider the Graf-Martinez Metronome
3) Consider the new Metrónomo Flamenco Óscar HerreroMetrónomo Flamenco Óscar Herrero
4) Buy several of the Solo Compas, Escuela de Flamenco, or Ritmo Flamenco Rhythm cds, especially the basics, Soleá, Alegrías, Tangos, Fandangos, Seguiriya, and Bulerías, others are helpful too, but I'd say those are the basic ones you want to have. Learn what is played and be able to count the compás all the way through them, without your guitar to distract you.
5) Download Flamenco Master from here on the Foro and learn to use it and play against it.

As for partituras, if you are beginning, buy the Merengue de Córdoba book by Encuentro Here
or
Traité de guitarre flamenca by Oscar Herrero and Claude Worms Volume 1 Here

Oscar Herrero's 21 and 24 Estudios para guitarra flamenca are also good starters
With pencil and ruler in hand, on every falseta or partitura, write in the compas so you know where the beat is and which beat number you're on. You'll need to read the introductory information so you know whether to start on 12 or 1 and then mark in the rest of the beats, writing the beat number (1 - 12) in every measure.

Here

The Gerahard Graf-Martinez Method Here is also excellent.

These would be good starters.

-Anthony




Ricardo -> RE: Learning Compas - Resources (Aug. 31 2007 6:52:57)

I think you can work with what you have, so long as you take it in manageable bite sized chunks. No need for a fancy metronome, just something to help you keep the beat so you can learn to feel the spaces between....tick tick tick. Work through one compas at a time a simple rasqueado pattern or simple passage of a falseta, and repeat over and over and over. Don't tackle any more notes until you have ONE compas super solid and natural.

Ricardo




NormanKliman -> RE: Learning Compas - Resources (Sep. 1 2007 15:09:21)

Hi Filip,

Well, I'd say that you're going to have to get some recordings of flamenco if you want to have a more solid sense of compás. How can you learn to play flamenco if you don't spend years listening to it? [;)] I'd recommend spending a lot of time listening to recordings and following the compás in your head as you listen, especially for soleá and siguiriyas. You'll quickly realize if you lose your place, although not everything on recordings is in compás! When you get a little better at following the compás, try to follow the compás as you play: "counting" and playing at the same time. You don't have to actually count with numbers, but, for example, if you finish one idea on beat 6 in bulerías, you've got to be aware that there are two more "short" beats before you get to beat 12. Again, you don't have to count with actual numbers. Personally, I tend to think more in terms of long and short spaces. I said what I said about soleá and siguiriya because the interpretation and perception of their rhythms are more straightforward, IMO. Bulerías can be felt in several different ways, one of them being a steady ternary rhythm (12-2-4, 6-8-10), and that might be a less desirable context for learning to follow compás. Having said that, some of Paco de Lucías more recent bulerías (La Tumbona, Piñonate) are really interesting in that regard.

Hope this helps.

Norman




Filip -> RE: Learning Compas - Resources (Sep. 1 2007 17:30:55)

Thanks a lot for helping me with this! I appreciate it!
Regards




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