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mrMagenta -> Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 9 2007 14:52:18)

My 12 slot bridge had a too sharp edge right where the string bends above the bridge. The little e-string snapped and whipped a deep scar below the bridge. I thought it snapped because it was worn out, and didn't notice the damage so i put on a new string and it snapped as well. then i found two tracks on the top almost 1mm deep and the same width as the string. any tips on how i could fill the grooves and make a decent repair?

I would pass out if this had happened on a nice handmade guitar.. if i ever order one it will be with a standard 6-hole bridge so that it can't whip out like that.




Per Hallgren -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 9 2007 15:49:51)

Always burn a small ball at the end of the treble strings and you avoid accidents like this.




Guest -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 9 2007 17:27:50)

Stick on a minature golpeador behind the bridge. If it happens again it won´t matter.

Sean




Georg -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 9 2007 19:16:00)

My advice is to accept these dings and dongs. If you use a guitar, it will get scratches. I think we tend to be too careful with our guitars instead of having fun with it.

Look at the guitars of the greats. They are full of scratches.

I have come to look at them as patina which makes my guitars unique.[:D]




JBASHORUN -> [Deleted] (Aug. 9 2007 21:12:30)

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mrMagenta -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 10 2007 0:01:24)

on the little e string I burn a ball on both ends of the string and tie a knot on the roller end.. the string got cut about 1.5cm from the ball. on the other nylons i just make a ball on the bridge side.

You're right.. After a while I just forget about the marks. Actually, it's comfortable not having to be über cautious .. i'm still interested if something could be used to fill up the grooves though.




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Ricardo -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 12 2007 15:28:49)

This happened to a friend, on a normal 6 hole bridge. Same thing, a "scar" at first. Eventually it opened up and split from the bridge to the bottom. Very bad. If the split runs under the bridge the guitar is practically ruined. Remember how much tension is on the wood there around the bridge. I would have a luthier look at it. If the "scar" is deep enough, the luthier may want to put stitches inside under the scar, to keep the wood from splitting open. In the mean time, don't let the guitar get too dry.

Ricardo

PS, not a nice handmade instrument with a 12 hole tie block??? What is the make?




HemeolaMan -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 13 2007 20:54:30)

a reallly mischevious and adventurous luthier once advised me to steam out the dings by using a wet cloth and a soldering iron. it worked. if the ding is small, i'd say give it a go, but if its way huge and really cool, definitely leave it, and make up a story about how you narrowly escaped a knife fight or something lol.




mrMagenta -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 13 2007 22:05:26)

It's a Quiles model SF-1. Cedar top and cypress sides. 530Euros, so it's a cheap guitar. It needed proper bones and a second golpeador above the soundhole, also had to lower the action. I'd be sad if it would split because i can't afford a new one and i've grown fond of it, it plays well, sounds decent and looks allright. I'll follow your advice and show it to a local luthier/repairman.



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Per Hallgren -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 15 2007 10:12:20)

Var finns du? Jag är strax utanför Göteborg. Translated: Where are you? I'm outside Göteborg.




mrMagenta -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 16 2007 16:39:56)

Jag finns i Stockholm. Gitarrer och flamenco samlas kring Göteborg tycks det, jag gillar den staden. Gitarren, dvs butiken, t.ex. tycks sälja massa fina flamencomodeller. Såg att de säljer en av dina klassiska gitarrer också.

Jag skulle vara intresserad av att bli guidad av en gitarrmakare, kanske med liknande upplägg som privata gitarrlektioner.. fast i ytbehandling, reparationer, konstruktion osv. Jag hade ett tag tänkt gå utbildningen som fanns här dvs Claes Malmbergs gitarrmakarprogram, men den lades ner.




Ricardo -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 16 2007 22:03:19)

jag giller sten av att som upplagg lades fanns dvs dvd vhs vara tap sag ett Viking gitarrer och Yngwie malmsteen ocksa skulle meatball.


[8D]




JBASHORUN -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 16 2007 23:23:54)

I understood Ricardo's post but not the others... [:D]

Jb




Per Hallgren -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 17 2007 6:43:21)

quote:

I understood Ricardo's post but not the others...


That's because he's speaking swenglish, the language he has in common with the "Swedish chef" in the muppet show. True swedish is a rare bird, more difficult than true flamenco.[:D]




Estevan -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Aug. 17 2007 18:16:04)

Ja visst!

[true Swedish, and most of what I know...[;)]]




Mordorito -> RE: necro-post...sorry: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Nov. 10 2012 23:13:26)

Sorry to necro-post. This is the thread I read regarding string ding creating a crack. Ricardo's post halfway up. Thanks




estebanana -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Nov. 10 2012 23:41:52)

Ricardo called Yingweenie a Swedish meatball? Whaa !!!!




Mordorito -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Nov. 10 2012 23:47:11)

Ahh, I see now why necro-posting is frowned upon...[:)]




Anders Eliasson -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Nov. 11 2012 9:04:39)

quote:

Sorry to necro-post. This is the thread I read regarding string ding creating a crack. Ricardo's post halfway up. Thanks


Ah, now I can understand your worries. I´ve never seen this happen. But of course, a string ding doesnt make the soundbord stronger... This with lifting dings with stem, I´ve only tryed on raw wood and it works, but on a finished guitar, I think it´ll destroy the lacquer or Frenck polish in a split second.




Mordorito -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Nov. 11 2012 13:26:30)

Thanks Anders. I am glad that neither you nor estebanana have seen a string ding cause a crack. This makes me feel better. Hopefully the guitar Ricardo referenced had some other issue as well that may have contributed to the crack. I am going to leave the soundboard alone. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise for my guitar, because the ding will remind me to take better care of my guitar during our dry winters here. [:)]




Doitsujin -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Nov. 11 2012 14:25:44)

Hey mrMagenta is your avatar a hint on gangnam style?




britguy -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Nov. 17 2012 22:29:48)

quote:

PS, not a nice handmade instrument with a 12 hole tie block???


What's the problem with 12-hole tie blocks?




keith -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Nov. 18 2012 13:31:27)

britguy--as an owner of a 12 hole tie block i have discovered one must melt a ball at the end of a nylon string as it will slip under the part of the string that "locks" it. with a 6 hole bridge the double or triple looping at the tie block is usually enough to grab the string and prevent it from sliding and this is not part of the procedure with a 12 hole tie block (of course one can just use only 6 holes).. i usually pass about an inch or so of the end of the string through a folded piece of 120 grit sandpaper to further prevent slippage. the steel strings have ridges and therefore grab easily and no ball is needed.

the original post concerned a damaged tie block which caused his string to break. myMagenta--you might want to see a luthier about this. i would imagine one could fill the groove with a rounded sliver of rosewood glued into the groove then filed smooth--or the hole is filled then re-drilled. other material could be used i would imagine.




callistoluna -> RE: Argh! Deep scars on the top (Sep. 21 2014 21:05:23)

I have had this happen to me. It is very traumatising. Especially when you take a lot of care to try them right. I agree with what many have said here - burning little balls at the end of the strings is a good idea for 12 hole tie blocks....just be careful not to over heat the string and cause the nylon to become brittle - that causes it to snap above the ball.

I took my guitar to a luthier to get the ding looked at. They filled the hole with shellac and buffed it back so now you can barely see it - also if it does happen again (please, god, no!) then the finish will get damaged again but hopefully not the wood. The luthier may also be able to fix the bridge so it isn't so sharp...I got my frets redressed at the same time, no problem.

The thing to remember is dings are a part of life. Everything from people, to guitars to phones and cars get them over time :)




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