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Jim Opfer -> Can guitars change? (May 7 2007 17:15:16)

After a year or so hate relationship with this guitar, she's suddenly sprung to life. Mmmm![:)]
Simple recording, just thought you might like to hear.



Haithamflamenco -> RE: Can guitars change? (May 11 2007 18:38:07)

why do u hate this guitar?

and what brand is it!!!!!!!!![>:]



Jim Opfer -> RE: Can guitars change? (May 11 2007 19:26:27)

I read a lot about Juan Miguel Gonzalez of Almeria. He worked on and finished the more recent Gerundinos and has made a guitar for Tomatito so I checked his web site, liked what I saw and bought one over the internet..
When it came it seemed quite heavy and the sound was a bit restricted, good quality but just on the surface of the guitar and not comming from inside if you know what I mean?
It has sat in it's case for over a year.
I took it out a few weeks ago and it's changed. Makes me thing that we don't have to 'play-in' a new guitar, it might just be something that happens.
Anyway, I wrote some bad words about her on Foro before and just thought mi amigos would like to hear her.



wiseguy493 -> RE: Can guitars change? (May 11 2007 20:01:30)

Guitars can change with aging but this usually takes many years to make a big difference.

Most likely the guitar has changed as you say because of humidity, by being in the case for a year and being unplayed the wood has changed textures. The pores react differently to dry or humid environments.

Ideally a guitar should be built in as dry a climate as possible, but if the guitar is introduced to a humid environment too quickly the pores of the wood will swell and can even damage the guitar.

The best idea is to buy a humidity-controlled case for you guitar that requires refilling the liquid, or they also make disposable "humidifiers" that you can put inside the case. That way your guitar is sure to have a very long life and consistent humidity control



Georg -> RE: Can guitars change? (May 11 2007 21:01:55)

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ORIGINAL: wiseguy493

Ideally a guitar should be built in as dry a climate as possible,



Hm... I'm not a luthier, but I have always thought that too little humidity isn't good either. I think I've heard that a humidity between 50 and 60 % is ideal.

Jim. you're right the sound is awesome.



TANúñez -> RE: Can guitars change? (May 11 2007 21:31:36)

Jim,

I really admire Juan Miguel's guitars. Your problems could have just been climate changes. Either that or you just tried to get her in the sack too fast without any courting and romance first [:D]. She was simply playing hard to get. Then, when she realized she was just going to waste away in her case, she gave in to your masculine powerful hands and duende [sm=lol.gif]



wiseguy493 -> RE: Can guitars change? (May 11 2007 22:05:50)

Too little humidity can be a problem also but when making a guitar the least humidity possible is desired because it helps the finish cure and the wood mature. When the guitar is finished, moderation is best

I live in Florida, USA so when I build guitars it is hard for me get the right climate. I do keep the workshop's climate very controlled with air conditioning, but Florida humidity is terrible. I would like to go to Mexico some time and make guitars so I can let them hang in the sun to cure =)



jshelton5040 -> RE: Can guitars change? (May 11 2007 23:30:22)

quote:

ORIGINAL: wiseguy493

Too little humidity can be a problem also but when making a guitar the least humidity possible is desired because it helps the finish cure and the wood mature. When the guitar is finished, moderation is best

I live in Florida, USA so when I build guitars it is hard for me get the right climate. I do keep the workshop's climate very controlled with air conditioning, but Florida humidity is terrible. I would like to go to Mexico some time and make guitars so I can let them hang in the sun to cure =)


Why don't you just buy a dehumidifier? You should store your wood and build guitars around 45% humidity. Unless you're using water based finishes I don't see why humidity would have an effect on the cure rate of a finish. Temperature maybe but not humidity and by the way hanging a guitar in the sun is definitely not a good idea.

John Shelton



Hugh -> RE: Can guitars change? (May 12 2007 9:28:32)

The guitar sounds excellant Jim. Nothing wrong with that one, to my ear anyway.
Love the piece you played there too.

I seem to have the opposite problem. I have a Yamaha classical that I bought years ago. Ok, I know its not in the top league of instrument build quality. But when I first got it, it sounded really good for the price range it was in. Now it sounds like crap.
I dont know what happened, something seems to have happened inside, like it just sounds dry now. No warmth of sound in it. I'm going to work on it a bit in the hope of restoring its previous sound by changing the saddle and nut to bone, and maybe raising the action a bit. The thing is, now the fingerboard has worked in great with all the years of playing its had, and I'd like to keep it, rather than have to replace it.
Its still great to play in contrast to my flamenco. Its good to play a totally different instrument and totally different music when I start to get bored or tired of studying flamenco.



Jim Opfer -> RE: Can guitars change? (May 12 2007 9:36:35)

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she gave in to your masculine powerful hands and duende


Ha...! No chance of that Tom.



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