What does flamenco mean to you?

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[Poll]

It's a world you can reach by all sort of ways and disciplines.

21% (6)

For me only counts it has the right soul and compas.

32% (9)

I like everything that has something to do do with Spain.

7% (2)

Flamenco guitar is the best way to show how virtuoso you can play.

10% (3)

I just play to impress the girls

17% (5)

I like to be on Foroflamenco, so I HAVE to play flamenco to belong her

0% (0)

I don't care as long as I'm the fastest and have the hottest chick !

3% (1)

Flamenco for me is just a vehicle to get famous.

0% (0)

Find out about duende by sorting glass 11 hours a day

7% (2)

Total Votes : 28

(last vote on : Dec. 30 2010 19:20:21)

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koella -> What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 13 2007 20:25:49)
There's a lot of discussion about what flamenco is. Old vs. modern. Technique vs. soul/compas. etc. What does it mean to you ?

Ron.M -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 13 2007 21:05:52)
Koella, I see you too are at a loose end on a Friday night ..(unlike our younger counterparts looking for drink, women and action...LOL!) I can't really find any catagory to vote on here..but.. On Flamenco, I admire really great technical playing on the guitar and I'm really wowed out by it, but I'm also wowed out by really "simple" stuff too. It's not that "OK...you're over 40 so you're into Sabicas and Diego del Gastor stuff", etc... Nothing could be further from the truth. What tends to bore me is hearing something full of clever chords and nuances and doesn't really say anything except "hey..check this out guys". It's like someone telling you a joke that you've heard before, but are too embarrassed to say so, so you laugh and say great! Does Flamenco guitar have to be "virtuoso" to be great? I'd say "No". Listen to this playing by Diego Amaya accompanying Capullo... www.btinternet.com/~flamenco/Capullo-y-Diego.mp3 Sorry for the sound quality, but it's from a small "live" performance off a VHS tape. The guitar technique used is hardly above a lot of the players here....but most of the guitar players here couldn't come close to it....isn't that a dichotomy?? What makes it so good? Can anyone here deny that it's got "that sound"? The precision, the tiny details of strumming and accent, the just being "right on the spot". No great picado or alzapua here...but what taste and sensitivity! To me, this is what Flamenco guitar is all about. cheers, Ron

koella -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 13 2007 21:17:17)
Of course I already knew your view Ron.[:D] But It's good to comment instead of voting. I would say that that I would vote on every point a little bit ! [:D]

koella -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 13 2007 21:55:06)
Allright. THREE voters for now. It's a start.[&:]

Doitsujin -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 13 2007 22:17:39)
For me its a combination of some of these options... I would say 4 and 5....[&:]

Guest -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 13 2007 22:23:42)
oh bloody hell, not another stupid poll[&:]well i voted. You forgot to put in a cpt beefcakes option. Like 'to me flamenco is just a way to get my foot in the door at the cpt. beefcakes factory'. O.k ill try a put a serious answer in for the question. For me flamenco is a guitar style i prefered over all the others that i had heard before. Because of the wide range of sounds, rythms and techniques i think flamenco give the guitarist unlimited scope for expression with their instrument. Yes flamenco is completly guitar orientated for me if i didnt play guitar i probably wouldnt be into it. But if i was a singer or dancer i think flamenco would have had the same attraction. That being said, im sure that if i was in spain it would probably have a completly different cultural meaning and significance and guitar would just be something you happen to do to be a part of it. But im not in spain so atm for me its completly guitar orientated and i dont think that theres anything wrong with that. Thats probably not the right answer and not puro enough for some but im being honest.[:)]

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duende -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 14 2007 4:39:37)
Flamenco is a soaking wet Vicente in a pool! Thats just damn hot![:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

edgar884 -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 14 2007 4:46:20)
Just something I find passionate and powerful. And very different, it has a hint of folkloric type indian chants and strange dissonance and odd scales well it just has to be the baddest music on the planet. Not to mention the beautiful women. hahahaa Oops truth came out , just kidding.[:)]

Guest -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 14 2007 5:36:17)
quote: Flamenco is a soaking wet Vicente in a pool let us never speak of that photo again[X(]

JBASHORUN -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 14 2007 13:00:21)
There's only ONE serious choice in the poll, and thats the one about it having the right "soul and compas". But for me, Flamenco is more than just soul and compas... its a MIX of things...technique, compas, virtuosity, duende, and composition, amongst others. But if you're asking (literally) what Flamenco is about, it does come down to compas and "The Holy Trinity" (TBC: Toque, Baile, Cante). Interesting to see that many people said they "just play to impress the girls"... I'm guessing that was the likes of Dominic and Florian... Jb

Arash -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 14 2007 13:48:36)
For me Flamenco is a world you can reach by all sort of ways and disciplines and it only counts it has the right soul and compas. Therefore I like everything that has something to do do with Spain. However Flamenco guitar is the best way to show how virtuoso you can play. I just play to impress the girls but I like to be on Foroflamenco, so I HAVE to play flamenco to belong here and I don't care as long as I'm the fastest and have the hottest chick ! Flamenco for me is just a vehicle to get famous.

koella -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 14 2007 20:34:23)
That's brilliant Bikhiyal.[:D] Jbashorun. There are more then one serious choice. Like loving spain. And the first one, flamenco is not just guitar. Untill now this particular poll hasn't been very unpredictable. I'm glad you're all very honest.[:D] Btw. For all our female contestants, the word "chick" should be turned into "hunk" ( of course [>:] )

koella -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 14 2007 21:55:44)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ron.M What makes it so good? Your right Ron. He knows how to use just the essential things.

John O. -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 14 2007 22:11:41)
I choose to see it less romantically. It's a music form. BUT... It has this crazy energy that gets endorphins flowing through my veins, especially when played or enjoyed in a group. And so many rhythms, the countless palos so tightly structured, you never run out of new things to learn. It has a very interesting history tying in to a very interesting culture, which makes it even more special. A very high art form which one needs to spend a lot of time with to learn, but once one has it is extremely rewarding. That about sums it up for me [:)]

Doitsujin -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 14 2007 22:47:42)
Yes John, I think so too. Flamenco sucks very much, till you begin to develope your playing to a grade which is more or less enjoyable. Usually it takes years of practiceing. But when you start to get on this level, you can have damn much fun with this instrument. (I only speak for guitar) The second good reason to learn it is, you allways have good looking chicks dancing in front of you. Ok usually >=80% not but there are around 20% left.. huhuuuuu [:)]

guitarbuddha -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 14 2007 23:06:33)
I like flamenco because I cant read music, and I need an excuse to feel superior to anyone who can. I like flamenco because its orthodoxies are so contradictory and nebulous that I can always find a way of atacking another player without backing it up by playing. I like flamenco because noone I know plays it and I can get away with murder when performing badly. I like flamenco because I only know four chords. Or maybe just I like flamenco because I do.

John O. -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 15 2007 0:35:20)
quote: The second good reason to learn it is, you allways have good looking chicks dancing in front of you It really is best sitting in the back. The chicks dance in front of a mirror, you can see both sides [:)]

XXX -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 15 2007 9:48:58)
Flamenco guitar is the most "guitaristic" style of music that i know, and that is also what attracts me on flamenco. So i voted 4, but it actually has nothing to do with "virtuosity", in the sense that ONLY complex things sound good. A standard, traditional bulerias is also very guitaristic and attracts me too. Oh, the thing with the hot chicks is simply not true. Im still searching to find a dancer under 30 [:'(]

John O. -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 15 2007 10:12:55)
quote: Im still searching to find a dancer under 30 Old bikes are the best for learning to ride man, I say get on that [:D]

duende -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 15 2007 10:31:16)
im trying to find any dancer at any age[:@]...if you have any,be happy[:(]

XXX -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 15 2007 11:16:01)
LOL John! All married! [:D] Henrik, you are already advanced flamenco player. You dont need accompainment IMO! But didnt accompany alone regularly, only every now and then tried to. 2006 was crap year for my guitar playing, i didnt practice at all, only lazy noodeling [:@]. Ive met a new dancer, and will accompany her class regularly beginning next week or so. I hope then it will be a motivation to also start practising. Crap ive been so lazy [&o]

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blanca -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 15 2007 17:28:48)
quote: ORIGINAL: koella That's brilliant Bikhiyal.[:D] Jbashorun. There are more then one serious choice. Like loving spain. And the first one, flamenco is not just guitar. Untill now this particular poll hasn't been very unpredictable. I'm glad you're all very honest.[:D] Btw. For all our female contestants, the word "chick" should be turned into "hunk" ( of course [>:] ) Thank you for this information, it makes voting much easier for me.... But seriously: who helped you making this list? It is very funny, if you are just as creativ in your guitar playing, we can aspect a lot of you

Florian -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 15 2007 18:12:14)
lol you bast*rd !! [:D]u know i am doing the temporary glass thing to get a better guitar [:)] didnt we just do this question a few weeks ago ?[8\|] flamenco means alot of things to me, depending on what day u are asking [:)] I couldnt setlle on just one I picked this 3 today: I just play to impress the girls I don't care as long as I'm the fastest and have the hottest chick ! Find out about duende by sorting glass 11 hours a day but serious, flamenco to me and everyone else is a personal thing, it means alot of things to many different people (every one just as justified) , none of my non flamenco friends understand it even tho some of them are spanish, i dont know how to explain it to them, i dont know how to do it justice with words, how it makes me feel and why it makes me feel like that and even if i did, whats the point they have no refference. closest i can say is when i hear great cante, i get that knot in my troat, when i watch a dvd with some great dancing and after long footwork dancer goes into a buleria (for example) and the guitar goes into scratching and the dancer starts doing cool brakes etc, i find myself yelling out " Ole!" even if i am by myself. when i am in the mood to listen to flamenco i never ever put on a guitar solo cd, infact the only time i ever listen to guitar solo cds now is when i am practicing, or am scouting for ideas or falsetas, i dont know, all tho it impresses me it dosent touch me nowhere near as much. in the end i dont think anyone else can truly know how flamenco affects the other guy or what it means to him, or could ever judge or dissmiss it until they bring out a flamencometer.[:)] not at all suggesting that you are judging it, but there are some people who are convinced that they and they alone know what it is and what it means and what it should be and are a litlle dissmisive, no song ever affects 2 people exactly the same way, unless one has just copyed the others words.

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Florian -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 15 2007 19:51:59)
quote: 5) playing the same thing for a dancer everytime she does her alegrias OMG , dont even get me started [:D][:D] had a rehersal today for something and she stoped to say, " - no no. we have always done scratching here [:o] " " - Yes but i tought mibe do something a litlle different this time [8\|]" her replie " [sm=rolleyes.gif]"

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Florian -> RE: What does flamenco mean to you? (Apr. 15 2007 20:13:14)
oh I always do what i want live [:D], to be honest i dont even know what the rehersals are for lol just reference, i still do everything i want live [:D][:D] "scratching" ? what do you call it when you mute the strings and play rithm ?

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