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TANúñez -> Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 13:26:15)

I'm attempting to build a guitar with the modern style Conde bracing. I'm copying a 2005 Felipe Conde which I thought was a fantastic guitar. One of the best if not the best Conde I've seen. Here's a pic of the top. Don't know how close I can get to it. Wish me luck.



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JBASHORUN -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 13:57:51)

Tom, please keep us informed about how the guitar eventually turns out. I would also be interested in getting a copy of the plans/drawings you are working from, if you have made any...

Jb



TANúñez -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 15:32:09)

Sure will Jb



Anders Eliasson -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 16:31:01)

Hi Tom.

Nice clean work

You are using spruce for the 2 long struts? I thought they were originally some kind of hardwood.

Also, are you sure the braces and the closing struts have this size. They look thick to me.



TANúñez -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 16:45:58)

Hi Anders.

I do as best as I can to do a clean job on the inside. I hate glue squeeze out!

I don't have expensive and fancy calipers so my methods for trying to measure the inside are very primative. The braces look thicker on this photo than they really are.

The 2 long struts from the Conde I have here "appear" to be spruce. They very well may be some type of hardwood as you say but from what I can tell, they look like spruce. I'm sure if I wrote the Conde bros. they wouldn't reply with an answer [:@]

I have a friend who has a 03' Conde negra. I asked him to peek inside his soundhole so he could see the side of these two long struts. He's not a luthier so all he could tell me is that his looked brown. Much like the back braces. Could they also be using cedar for these?



Doitsujin -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 18:32:30)

Sorry, I have a question. Are there any guitar building kits which include all parts you need for a flamenco-guitar? Some people from the forum builded on no? did they use the kit?



JBASHORUN -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 19:07:29)

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I have a question. Are there any guitar building kits which include all parts you need for a flamenco-guitar?


http://madinter.com/b2c/index.php?page=pp_productos.php&tipo=1&codf=94&md=1

Jb



Ricardo -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 19:14:31)

Blanca or negra?



TANúñez -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 19:26:31)

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Blanca or negra?


The one I'm building? blanca. I have a nice set of Pau Ferro I've been waiting to use. If this blanca turns out the way I'm hoping it will, maybe I'll build a negra next with this wood.



TANúñez -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 19:36:44)

Here's the back. It's hard to tell but next to the rosewood back strip are two small red and white strips.



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TANúñez -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 19:41:46)

It hasn't been final sanded yet which will cleanup the strips a bit.



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RobJe -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 21:26:49)

Just in case anyone is interested I had a look inisde my Conde A26. The two long struts are darker then the others - similar to the back braces.
Rob



TANúñez -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 21:57:58)

Interesting. Maybe cedar is used at times.



Francisco -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 22:39:40)

Looks fantastic, very clean and professional. Are you going to use your 'devil horned' design for the head? [;)] - now THaT would be cool.

Did you leave the top 2 struts thick to make adjustments later (ala fine tuning)?

What color will the finish be?



TANúñez -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 27 2007 23:51:02)

quote:

Looks fantastic, very clean and professional. Are you going to use your 'devil horned' design for the head? - now THaT would be cool.

Did you leave the top 2 struts thick to make adjustments later (ala fine tuning)?

What color will the finish be?


Thanks Samwise. You remember the diablo head eh? No, this one will be my current design. I'll post a pic once it's finished. All the struts are pretty much at final thickness and height. I don't know a whole lot yet about "final tuning" and don't know for sure if I really believe in this. I'm no one to really comment about it as I know nothing about it.

Originally, I wanted to shoot it in yellow as I prefer yellow to orange. However, since the purfling is red, the yellow tint may turn the red to orange. I may leave it natural so the original color of the rosette and purfling show through.



nhills -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 28 2007 1:41:43)

Very interesting Tom!

The dark struts could be: 1) Western red cedar, 2) Spanish cedar, or 3) mahogany. It would be worth knowing which it is, since these have very different characteristics. My guess would be red cedar, but I haven't had the opportunity to see one.

By the way... Where did you get the cypress for the back?

Cheers,
Norman



TANúñez -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 28 2007 5:02:53)

Hi Norman,

I can't quite remember where I got the cypress as I have purchased several sets from various sources through the last few years. I think this particular set came from LMI.



Doitsujin -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 28 2007 15:07:45)

quote:

quote:

I have a question. Are there any guitar building kits which include all parts you need for a flamenco-guitar?


http://madinter.com/b2c/index.php?page=pp_productos.php&tipo=1&codf=94&md=1

Jb


Thank you!



Jim Opfer -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 28 2007 16:41:17)

Looks good Tom, beautiful back grain and neat centre strip detail.
Looking forward to hearing a clip when she's finished.



Ricardo -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 28 2007 21:55:34)

forgot to add, can you make me one please? thanks.



Arash -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 28 2007 22:02:12)

me 2! i wanne blanca! put me on your waiting list [;)]



TANúñez -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 28 2007 23:12:30)

Cool. A 2 person waiting list! Another 68 orders and I'm right there with DeVoe [:D]



ykabban -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 29 2007 0:01:08)

Nice work Tom. It appears as if you do very clean work. Please post pics of your progress. My favorite part of this forum is seeing others' work. Will you continue with the rosewood/red/white for the binding etc?



TANúñez -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 29 2007 0:50:34)

Hi ykabban,

Thanks. Yes, I try to be as clean as possible. It really bugs me when I get a guitar and look inside and find a lot of sloppy work. Glue squeeze out and rough sanded braces, etc,etc. A clean box tells me that the maker takes pride in his work. However, handmade guitars are not perfect. Some of this type of stuff is to be expected. I just like to be as clean as possible.

The binding and purfling will also be rosewood,white and red.



Thomas Whiteley -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 29 2007 0:56:27)

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A real friend daggers you head-on!


Now that could hurt! [:D]

What kind of friends do you have?



TANúñez -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 30 2007 15:36:35)

I just glued the sides and the linings. It's coming along nicely. Today I'll fit the back.



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Ramón -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 31 2007 0:39:09)

...beautiful.....



Anders Eliasson -> RE: Conde style guitar (Mar. 31 2007 8:25:51)

Tom.

Did you (on the conde) meassure the size of the two outer braces (1 and 7) and the closing struts ? To me they look heavy and you start the cut of of brace 1 and 7 above the cut off of the 2nd and 6th brace. That I dont understand.
In my experience this (the size of the braces) normally means that the guitar will sound strong and bright, but it´ll have sustain and a pulsation that will not work to well close to the bridge.

Its all taste, I know, but thats what I think.



TANúñez -> RE: Conde style guitar (Apr. 1 2007 17:03:59)

quote:

Tom.

Did you (on the conde) meassure the size of the two outer braces (1 and 7) and the closing struts ? To me they look heavy and you start the cut of of brace 1 and 7 above the cut off of the 2nd and 6th brace. That I dont understand.
In my experience this (the size of the braces) normally means that the guitar will sound strong and bright, but it´ll have sustain and a pulsation that will not work to well close to the bridge.

Its all taste, I know, but thats what I think.


Hi Anders, braces 1,2,4,6 and 7 are the same size. I had to do all the measuring through the soundhole which was REALLY difficult to reach those outer braces, 1 and 7. From what I could tell, these two were cut smaller on the ends compared to the others. However, since these were difficult to measure, my measurements may be slightly off from the original.

I'll make all the cuts the same on the next one and see if I can tell what the differences are.



flamenco_9 -> RE: Conde style guitar (Apr. 14 2007 22:42:02)

hiiiii TANúñez
how are you!!
we are waitting your updates and maybe a sound clip [:)]



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