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n85ae -> Bulerias Question (Mar. 26 2007 18:37:24)

Could somebody either describe to me, or point me at something
which describes what are the types of Bulerias?

I'm of the impression (perhaps false) that there are major types, which
differ from one another, perhaps regional variations?

Thanks,
Jeff



Ricardo -> RE: Bulerias Question (Mar. 27 2007 17:15:46)

You are on the right track. Do you have a map of Andalucia? Start off by looking at the towns you see. Jerez, Cadiz, Moron, Utrera, etc. Most would agree that bulerias probably orginated in jerez, but regional differences you can find all around. If you don't want to start collecting a HUGE anthology of flamenco cantes from different regions (ie start buying hundreds of CDs), I will recommend ONE MORE TIME Rito y Geografia del Cante.

Ricardo



n85ae -> RE: Bulerias Question (Mar. 27 2007 17:25:46)

I notice many Bulerias are based largely on A->Bb, with a lot of strumming
and Falseta's based around those two chord's.

Then there are other Bulerias, which are much more technical, with almost
no strumming at all, and are almost entirely arpeggios, picado, etc.

I hear Tomatito playing a lot of the first, and Paco playing more the second.

Would these two (albeit crude) descriptions, be considered different types?

Thanks,
Jeff



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n85ae -> RE: Bulerias Question (Mar. 27 2007 17:47:40)

That makes sense, I had sort of guessed that the Bulerias played for a
singer, or dancer was one thing. With solo guitar Bulerias being the other.
Probably this oversimplifies it a bit as well.

Kevin are you in Boulder? My mom works there at the University.



Ricardo -> RE: Bulerias Question (Mar. 27 2007 19:10:15)

OK, you mean just the guitar playing, not the song right? Than like Romerito said, different approaches, meaning the feel, the swing, the accent of the melody. Mainly you have jerez style and moron style, traditional vs. modern. But it is very subtle. The arpegio style etc, is a compositional approach. You have guitarists that improvise falsetas, and others that compose entire pieces based on the rhythm. It is not a "regional" or "modern vs traditional" thing, just personal style.

Nunez has MANY different styles of bulerias, some with altered tunings, some trad. jerez, some improvised, some classical style composed pieces, some ALL arpegio, even some that are "jazz chart" based to do literal improvised solos over. Regional has nothing to do with it, it is just HIS way. M. Sanlucar likes to have it all composed, Tomatito always improvises. Different approaches.

Ricardo



n85ae -> RE: Bulerias Question (Mar. 27 2007 20:28:07)

So what makes it a Bulerias? Just the rhythm?

BTW. Do you like that 1F Arce that you have?



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n85ae -> RE: Bulerias Question (Mar. 28 2007 14:08:04)

28th street, institute of behavioural sciences. I previously owned a house
up by Wondervu, right off of highway 72. Before I went insane and moved
to Chicago ... Any time you feel depressed living out there, and need a boost,
just message me about how's Chicago? :)

Are you teaching Flamenco?



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n85ae -> RE: Bulerias Question (Mar. 28 2007 15:40:04)

Hwy 93 South from Boulder, turn right on Hwy 72 go ten miles into the
mountains, and that's where Wondervu is located (in Coal Creek Canyon).
There's a really good restaraunt there, "Wondervu Cafe". Worth the drive
if you want to get out with the wife for dinner some night. It's mountain
casual, with good food. It's right on hwy 72 at the top of the canyon, before
it starts descending down the other side going to Nederlands.

The wife, kids, dog and house preclude any time for getting involved in
any local Flamenco stuff so this is about as much as I get to talk with any
other guitar players about it (the forum that is). I'll send you a note next
time we travel out west, and see if anything is going on at that time.

Regards,
Jeff



Ricardo -> RE: Bulerias Question (Mar. 28 2007 17:33:28)

quote:

Just the rhythm?

BTW. Do you like that 1F Arce that you have?


To me "rhythm" is a BIG word. So many thousands of details, where if you have one little one left out or wrong, it is not bulerias any more, or at least not "good". [;)]

1f ARCE. It sucks, want to buy it?[;)][:D] Just kidding.



n85ae -> RE: Bulerias Question (Mar. 28 2007 18:06:04)

Ricardo -

Is the 1F comment sarcastic, or real opinion? My two guitars are my Martin
and my Yamaha. The Martin is such a good guitar, that it makes me really
realize how much the Yamaha isn't. But I always play the Yamaha. I'm
actually looking at an upgrade guitar in the $1500-2500 range.
Suggestions?

I'm starting to understand - It's not clearly definable what is Bulerias, but if
you know how to play it, you know what it is. If you don't then just keep
working at it, and eventually you will know. I've been practicing, and I'm
actually starting to know when I'm coming up on the tenth beat, now, etc.
Ok, pretty soon I'll know as well, but won't be able to describe it either.
Guess, then I'll be a Flamenco guitar player. :)

Regards,
Jeff



Ron.M -> RE: Bulerias Question (Mar. 28 2007 21:18:57)

quote:

So many thousands of details, where if you have one little one left out or wrong, it is not bulerias any more, or at least not "good".

Well, that's the way I think anyway.
"Cool" chords don't cover up "Bad" rhythm or phrasing IMO.

Ees no Flamenco [:D]

cheers

Ron



Ricardo -> RE: Bulerias Question (Mar. 28 2007 21:44:22)

quote:

Is the 1F comment sarcastic, or real opinion?


Well I said "just kidding". I recommend that guitar to folks looking around that price range. I also recommend the cypress version, that is also a good flamenco guitar for the money.

Ricardo



n85ae -> RE: Bulerias Question (Mar. 29 2007 13:23:17)

Oops. Yes you did. I guess the "want to buy it?" part was what got
me. :)



Ricardo -> RE: Bulerias Question (Mar. 30 2007 3:53:46)

Another thing is the rhythm of "jaleos" has elaments related to bulerias. In fact often the feels can interchange. Bulerias from Extremadura are often sung when a dancer wants "jaleos". The difference in the guitar, generally speaking, is how the chords will change on 12 and 6 instead of 3 and/or 10. But falsetas of both are interchangeable. I have read that Jaleos was the precursor of Soleares compas. The falsetas with a jaleos feel often work nice for Solea Escobillas.

Ricardo



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