'Staining' vs. color in the FP

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Ramón -> 'Staining' vs. color in the FP (Feb. 25 2007 14:48:22)
So I have a question, as I'm going to build again ( [:)] ).... A cabinet maker friend had a guitar stripped, and before the French'ing, he used a darker orange/brown stain, like some of the nicer Condes, etc., and the guitar is BEAUTIFUL! And sounds amazing, too! So why do makers put the color only in the shellac? I've sen guitars that were 'splotchy' due to the fact that it's hard to get the color-layers even, and I saw a Conder where the shellac had actually chipped off, leaving bare wood. Is it that the stain can close the pores of the wood, and not age and open up like the French process? Thanks

steve -> RE: 'Staining' vs. color in the FP (Feb. 25 2007 17:18:12)
Ramon, A couple thought's. I believe the reason the color might be in the finishing material is to control its evenness. Because wood has different densities and porosity, more stain will be absorbed in the softer area's than the denser area's resulting in the splotches you see. Its one reason a cabinet maker, like myself, will use a gel stain that lays on top of the wood rather than a liquid that is absorbed by it. If your spraying lacquer that's been tinted with your color, as long as put on light coats to avoid puddleing, you should be able to easily control the color density or concentration. I'm going to be refinishing a guitar in the spring and will be tinting the lacquer. What did your fried use as a stripping agent? Water base or mineral base? Hope this helps. And I'd be interested in hearing other idea's on the subject from anybody else.

Ramón -> RE: 'Staining' vs. color in the FP (Feb. 25 2007 23:31:28)
I will have to check how the lacquer was stripped, and how the color was applied. I didn't think about the differences in the wood grains, and I DO know that it would come out uneven. Why his is perfect, I don't know, but I'll ask and post. I had just talked to lutheirs about how hard it is to used color-shellacs to get the same even color throughout. I'm thinking, then, that one would do a clear French sealer to seal all the grains and pores, THEN build with color? (This is all hand-rubbed). Rh

Anders Eliasson -> RE: 'Staining' vs. color in the FP (Feb. 26 2007 7:47:09)
Ramon I´ve French polished (with a pad) with slightly colored FP... And its very difficult. I dont FP any more. My polisher does it this way: Sealing with natural FP and a pad, thin spray with colored FP, and finishing of and building up with natural color and a pad.... But he´s a pro and I would never do it myself.

steve -> RE: 'Staining' vs. color in the FP (Feb. 26 2007 17:21:05)
I would agree with Anders polisher's approach. The clear coat prevents an uneven absorption of the color, the sprayed color coat ensures an even color, and the hand rubbing gives that beautiful luster from FP. The only other thing that I might consider would be a second natural coat, sprayed, over the color coat to prevent the following rubbing from disturbing the color coat. I haven't tried FP-ing yet and if the polisher is not having a problem, then it must not be an issue for him. Any way, Ramon let us know what you find out about the stripping. thanks

Ramón -> RE: 'Staining' vs. color in the FP (Feb. 27 2007 14:42:38)
Thanks all..... I kind of had a feeling, as I watched someone have problems with 'all color', right onto the wood. I thought I would seal with clear, then build with color, but the spray method sounds good. Get the color even, then finish with the clears. Gracias...

chinito -> RE: 'Staining' vs. color in the FP (Feb. 28 2007 2:25:16)
Would a dye under the FP or lacquer work better than a stain? More intense colour options? Or more hassle? -Jake.

steve -> RE: 'Staining' vs. color in the FP (Feb. 28 2007 4:30:24)
chinito, The problem would be the same. If you put dye or stain on the bare wood, it will be difficult to control the color absorption.

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