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gerundino63 -> Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 2 2004 19:33:10)

When I tune my 6th string down to D, and I forget to tune it back again, the next time I play, the D is out of tune. So far, normal.

BUT it is allways out of tune higher!
I have to put it down again, to get it in tune again.

First times, I was thinking I am getting old or something, but when I had it several times, I was prepering myself for a mental home....[&o]

This time I checked it with an electronic tuner, and indeed, after half a day, the D is out tune...... higher!

Can somebody pleas explain that to me, so I can get on with my live again????

A little freaked out and desparate Peter.[:-]



duende -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 2 2004 20:06:53)

Hi P
When you tune the string down it always go back up a little.You haven to pull the string a few times to get it right. If you leave it at D the tension off the neck might pull it up or if you keep the guitar at a place that´s too warm or cold.

That´s all i can say about this.I don´t really know a lot about the technical aspect of guitar construction and things like that.

Henrik



gerundino63 -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 2 2004 22:41:58)

Hi Henrik

Thanks for your reply, but I put the E in D, strech it, play on it, and hang the guitar away. few hours later, the normal D (4th string) is exactly the same, and the tuned down string is a little up agian. I don't think the heat or the humidity is cousing that...

SPOOKY!!

Peter.



Phil -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 2 2004 23:17:54)

Peter,
I'm sure someone with a better grasp of physics than I could explain this, but I thnk it has something to do with the string's 'memory'. If you put on a brand new string and never tuned above D, the phenomenon that you discribed would probably not occur, unless it's exposed to a colder temperature.
Phil



gerundino63 -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 2 2004 23:23:49)

Yes phil, you are on the right track I think, otherwise it would happen at the normal E tuning too.
But still strainge it tightens itself up...
Perhaps a moleculair thing?
Peter.



Phil -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 0:58:43)

Peter said,
quote:

Perhaps a moleculair thing?

Absolutely! This is why it's so important to understand the the molecular structure of the strings you buy. That's why I recommend that all forum members inquire about the the molecular stability of the guitar strings they are going to buy. Knowing exactly where the nylon was manufactured as well as what alloys are mixed with nickel, is also very important.
Phil

PS. I apologize for the above post. I got confused and thought I was on the F-T forum.



Thomas Whiteley -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 3:04:02)

quote:

PS. I apologize for the above post. I got confused and thought I was on the F-T forum.


I had the same thought! [:D]



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 15:14:56)

Strings! Strings! What kind of string do you like the most! Oh, wait, we're not on F-T? Never mind then...
I won't bring up random thoughts on the Conde either.



Ron.M -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 16:08:35)

Yeah, I like Savarez LLST (Long Life Self Tuning) myself.
The windings are Depleted Uranium and the inner nylon is made from "smart fibre" which
"remembers" the pre-stressed tension, thus pitch, so never go out of tune.
Can be bought for different scale lengths, but are absolutely rubbish for open tunings.
[:D][:D]

Ron



Paco E. -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 18:50:27)

Terwijl ome Ed zo dichbij is...........

Het heeft met de "boog"van de hals te maken.

Niks met snaarmoleculen
veel te ver gezocht.
Als je met bijv. 10 kilo trekt aan de hals, buigt hij bijv. 10 cm
met 5 kilo buigt hij geen 5 maar bijv 7.
De afstand van de boog punt, tot het "dode punt van de hals bepaalt het koppel.
De hals krijgt bij het terugdraaien een minder koppel en een wringmoment.
Dit wringmoment is er de oorzaak van.
Het zijn voor het oog geen zichtbare verschillen, doch met een lange lineaal en een schuifmaat is het te zien. het zijn tienden van mm's

groeten Ed



Ron.M -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 20:19:57)

Ed,
I think I agree totally, but it's still a bit double Dutch to me.
[:D]

Ron



Escribano -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 20:21:00)

Umm, something to do with bending the neck. 10 kilos bends 10cm but 5 kilos bends 7cm and the eye cannot see it etc. etc. It's all Dutch to me[:D]



Paco E. -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 20:27:32)

Hi Simon,

The figure in cm, are examples to make it clear.
By the twisting of the neck on the lower E-string, (the neck erects a little) the strength which is nessacary (right spelling?) to bow the neck again must be greater.
Try it with a bamboo stick.
Stick upricht. string on the top. then try to bow the stick while you are pulling the string downwards.

Ed



Paco E. -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 20:28:39)

By the way, compliments for understanding a dutch story

ed



Escribano -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 20:32:17)

geen probleem [;)]



Paco E. -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 21:18:58)

Hi ron,

What's double dutch in this way:)

Ed(LOL)



Paco E. -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 21:21:39)

I have a new problem

A totaly freaked out brother in law.

Who can help me.

A totaly freaked out Ed.



gerundino63 -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 22:17:14)

I am still freaked out, couse if that where the solution, the normal D 4th string,would be out of tune eather!
And that is not so, only the low E, set to D is higher!

Still SPOOKEY!

can not we make this a duch foro, so much easyer..............[:D][:D]

Peter.



Paco E. -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 22:41:08)

SORRY, wrong conclusion

because the D string is more to the middle, the twisting of the neck, does it

ed



gerundino63 -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 22:45:57)

Well, sorry Ed, I still do not understand why it is higher with 12 hours.
greetings, peter.



Paco E. -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 23:12:50)

hmm, depends on the drinks perheps?

I will explane it when we meet.
It's rather complicated, in text.

see you

Ed



gerundino63 -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 23:14:39)

O.K good night.
Peter.



Paco E. -> RE: Help! anyone knows the answer for this????? (Jan. 3 2004 23:16:35)

peter , heb je mijn avontuur van vanavond al gelezen?

see Guitars!!!

Ed



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