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Jim Opfer -> Tauromaga (Dec. 31 2003 17:14:40)
I got Manolo Sanlucar's 'Tauromagia' CD today, having heard folk rave about it for years....mmm! it'll take a bit of getting used too. However, every time I watch the Carlos Saura video 'Flamenco' I smile in admiration of Manolo playing that terrific Alegrias and ....low and behold... it's called 'Puerta del Principe' and it's on Tauromagia! Fantastic stuff! Cheers Jim.

eslastra -> RE: Tauromaga (Dec. 31 2003 18:44:49)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jim Opfer I got Manolo Sanlucar's 'Tauromagia' CD today, having heard folk rave about it for years....mmm! it'll take a bit of getting used too. However, every time I watch the Carlos Saura video 'Flamenco' I smile in admiration of Manolo playing that terrific Alegrias and ....low and behold... it's called 'Puerta del Principe' and it's on Tauromagia! Fantastic stuff! Cheers Jim. Jim, I picked up Tauromagia about a year ago and at first listen was not too moved by it. I hadn't listened to it much until the other week when I had a long drive to do over the Christmas holiday. I took it along just to listen to something different. This time around I really enjoyed it and even listened to it a several times through. I've realized that Manolo really plays with a 'lot of balls' on this album. It's become part of my 'desert island' collection. I think it's solo flamenco guitar at it's best.

TANúñez -> RE: Tauromaga (Dec. 31 2003 19:46:08)
quote: I've realized that Manolo really plays with a 'lot of balls' on this album You said it Eddie!

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Miguel de Maria -> RE: Tauromaga (Dec. 31 2003 20:09:12)
Jim, don't worry, if you're like most people, you'll start to really dig it after awhile.

Patrick -> RE: Tauromaga (Dec. 31 2003 21:04:25)
I just ordered it.

Phil -> RE: Tauromaga (Jan. 1 2004 0:25:41)
Eddie said, quote: I've realized that Manolo really plays with a 'lot of balls' on this album. I've always said that Manolo Sanlucar found his balls with 'Tauromagia'. He has always been a very lyrical guitarist and has always shined when playing the 'toques libres' like Malagueñas, Rondeñas, etc., but I was never moved by the way he played the compás toques. In fact, there's a Bulerias on one of the volumes of 'Mundo y Formas' that doesn't have any chording compáses at all. That used to drive me crazy, because I couldn't figure out how it could be called a Bulerias. But his playing on 'Tauromagia' is incredible. It has become my favorite 'solo' Flamenco guitar album. However, I don't like the orchestration. I really think it hurts rather than helps the album, but that's his thing. He likes orchestration and his brother Jose Miguel is an orchestrator (is that the correct term?) On another thread we were talking about picado, so I'd like to bring up another technique -- tremolo. IMO, nobody has a tremolo like Manolo Sanlucar. Not PdL, Amigo, Nuñez, not nobody, no how. 'Oracion' is one of the most beautiful, moving guitar pieces ever recorded. BTW his brother, Isidro, was the musical director for Saura's 'Flamenco'. Phil

eslastra -> RE: Tauromaga (Jan. 1 2004 2:49:22)
quote: ORIGINAL: AndyB I think that it really suffers from being recorded at WAY too low a volume. That makes it seem less exciting unless you really crank it up or do like I did and edit the volumes and reburn it. The first track 'Nacencia' does start out kinda low and laid back, which is what sort of put me off the first time I listened to it. I guess I was expecting a strong opening number like most albums. In this album each track seems to build up on the other, as though it were telling some sort of story, at least to me anyways. The Alegrias on the last track really rocks, the one that he played in the 'Flamenco' movie. Manolo's articulation is just phenomenal, I just had not really noticed it until now.

eslastra -> RE: Tauromaga (Jan. 1 2004 3:09:29)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil I'd like to bring up another technique -- tremolo. IMO, nobody has a tremolo like Manolo Sanlucar. Not PdL, Amigo, Nuñez, not nobody, no how. 'Oracion' is one of the most beautiful, moving guitar pieces ever recorded. BTW his brother, Isidro, was the musical director for Saura's 'Flamenco'. Phil I always thought Sabicas had the smoothest tremolo lines, but I think Manolo's definitely got everyone beat with his tremolo on 'Oracion'. The standard flamenco tremolo is a 5 note figure, but some of those tremolos Manolo does are as much as 18 to 24 notes long between bass notes, truly incredible technique and so flawlessly played. I don't think anyone is going to top that one for a long while.

Patrick -> RE: Tauromaga (Jan. 1 2004 5:16:18)
Eddie, Didn't he play a Ramirez negra like your old one (my new one)? Any idea if he used it on this CD. I was listening to some of his stuff on the way to work this morning and it's amazing how close his sound is to the Ramirez. BTW, the more I play it, the more I realize why you wanted it back. It really is outstanding. Pat

Jim Opfer -> RE: Tauromaga (Jan. 1 2004 13:37:03)
Hi Pat, Manolo seems to have been faithful to his Ramirez negra for years and years, but from the pictures on the front of his most recent CD 'Locura de Brisa y Trino' the guitar head is one that I don't recognise? Cheers Jim.

Patrick -> RE: Tauromaga (Jan. 1 2004 17:12:35)
Jim, I think you are correct. It's my understanding he is playing a different guitar now, but don't know for sure. The Ramirez I have sounds almost identical to his, that is, about every 400th note that I play sounds like his! Pat

eslastra -> RE: Tauromaga (Jan. 1 2004 17:46:18)
quote: ORIGINAL: Patrick Eddie, Didn't he play a Ramirez negra like your old one (my new one)? Any idea if he used it on this CD. I was listening to some of his stuff on the way to work this morning and it's amazing how close his sound is to the Ramirez. BTW, the more I play it, the more I realize why you wanted it back. It really is outstanding. Pat Patrick, I don't know what Manolo is playing now, I haven't had a chance to listen to any of his latest recordings. I'm pretty sure the guitar he's playing in Tauromagia is the Ramirez as it sounds exactly like what he is playing in the 'Flamenco' movie. Also if you can get a copy of it, watch the 'Sevillanas' movie. In it he accompanies the dancer Merche Esmeralda with the negra, also his duet with PdL is quite a show. In fact, I think I'm going to pop it into the VCR for some inspiration [:)] Glad you're enjoying the Ramirez, and remember when you get tired of her, I get to have her back [:D]

Patrick -> RE: Tauromaga (Jan. 1 2004 18:00:20)
Eddie, Dimitri's first in line! Pat

gerundino63 -> RE: Tauromaga (Jan. 2 2004 19:37:01)
Hi guys, you made me curious!!!!!!!! I have orded it, get the cd Tauromagia in three weeks, so it better be good! ( just kidding[;)]) Peter.

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