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Taranto -> The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 3 2007 11:34:19)

Hi guys,

Couple of days ago I was thinking about a having a central repository of flamenco reference available to everybody, not jut those who can pay.

The repository can contain biography, photo gallery, video clips and tabs of guitarists, singers, dancers; history of flamenco, culture, palos with tab and audio examples, etc.

The FlamencoPedia can be authored and edited by everybody (aka wiki).

I'm at the moment setting up the website, categories, placeholders, ...
Could you give me a hand and contribute however you can? just go to www.flamencopedia.org register and start building the site.

Thanks, Taranto



sonikete -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 3 2007 12:51:41)

Hi!

Great idea, the only thing is that im not familiar with the software, couldnt you use the mediawiki bundle wikipedia uses?

http://sourceforge.net/projects/wikipedia



Taranto -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 3 2007 13:55:26)

Familiarity shouldn't be a problem. Places which need contribution are tagged with "Add content here ....".

I mainly chose this software (Drupal) because it had many features built-in, thus requiring less work to manage. It has built-in forums, wiki, categories, ...

Regards, Taranto



sonikete -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 3 2007 19:05:32)

I looks good, i just thought that if we could get some of the cabales from paco´s foro involved it needs to be in spanish as well. And i think the media wiki got all the stuff drupal got as well as language options, but maybe drupal has that as well?



JBASHORUN -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 3 2007 21:10:37)

A good idea! and it looks okay so far. But you should change the catagory "modes" into "palos" or "forms" instead. And you'll need to extend it beyond just Alegria, Buleria, Fandango and Solea.

I think a section that explains compas in detail would be useful too.

good luck!

Jb



TANúñez -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 3 2007 21:59:15)

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Hi guys,

Couple of days ago I was thinking about a having a central repository of flamenco reference available to everybody, not jut those who can pay.

The repository can contain biography, photo gallery, video clips and tabs of guitarists, singers, dancers; history of flamenco, culture, palos with tab and audio examples, etc.

The FlamencoPedia can be authored and edited by everybody (aka wiki).

I'm at the moment setting up the website, categories, placeholders, ...
Could you give me a hand and contribute however you can? just go to www.flamencopedia.org register and start building the site.

Thanks, Taranto


There actually is one, it's called Foro Flamenco [sm=lol.gif]



JBASHORUN -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 4 2007 12:33:41)

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There actually is one, it's called Foro Flamenco


The forum doesn't go far enough IMO. I think what taranto proposes is a complete reference archive of all things Flamenco, similar to the information the flamenco world website has, but hopefully more extensive eventually.

The trouble is, FW has people PAID to write about these things whereas Taranto is relying on generosity. But its a nice idea, lets hope it works out.

Jb



mrMagenta -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 4 2007 22:31:35)

i like the idea, but the first step imo is to address the looks, it needs a graphical flamenco treatment/appeal. a really simple touch will suffice, like on this forum (dancer and logo and warm yet neutral colorscheme).

it could take off if it would be used as a supplement to theoretical discussions and posts here.



Escribano -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 4 2007 22:42:18)

You could use the same logo and colour scheme as the foro, link us up and we got a party!

Personally, think your main issue will be dependable information without (too much) dispute.



Taranto -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 4 2007 23:55:47)

Thanks for all the comments.

Regarding the critiques, I agree with you. However you can do as much to improve the site as I can, some of you can surely do more than I can. There are almost no restrictions on what registered users can do.

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And you'll need to extend it beyond just Alegria, Buleria, Fandango and Solea.

Well you could add more if you wanted to. If everybody waits for me to do everything, then this site will close in no time as this is a very large project.

Regards, Taranto



Taranto -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 5 2007 0:20:06)

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Personally, think your main issue will be dependable information without (too much) dispute.

Different opinions shouldn't be a problem. I see it more like an interesting aspect of wiki. Imagine you author the page Flamenco Modes and analyze the palos from the "western major/minor system" point of view. I don't agree with you. Instead of deleting the parts that you have written, I continue in the same article, as an alternative method, and analyze flamenco modes from "church modes" point of view. Besides that one can add "comments" to an article, if s/he doesn't have any well defined opinion worth mentioning in the main section.

This way the information won't be one-sided.

Regards, Taranto



gt -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 5 2007 1:46:35)

Hey Taranto,

Great idea. Here's a link to theme for drupal called "burnt" burnt (screenshot)

This one is a minimalist style theme that uses orange colour like the foro, and with the logo added that would probably be enough to get started to make it appear related to the foro. All you need to do is download and install the theme from the drupal site

I wouldn't have thought that registered users can edit the default site theme but I guess that's depends on how you set it up. I didn't notice a link to the admin panel - but I think that's a good idea, you don't want people messing with the theme once you've got it right.

IMO - it's the content that draws the crowds - but more than half of what I've learnt about flamenco is from members of this forum so I figured at least I can help with the template [:)]



Ricardo -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 5 2007 3:42:42)

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Different opinions shouldn't be a problem. I see it more like an interesting aspect of wiki. Imagine you author the page Flamenco Modes and analyze the palos from the "western major/minor system" point of view. I don't agree with you. Instead of deleting the parts that you have written, I continue in the same article, as an alternative method, and analyze flamenco modes from "church modes" point of view. Besides that one can add "comments" to an article, if s/he doesn't have any well defined opinion worth mentioning in the main section.


What,or who, is to keep that from becoming a back and forth never ending tennis match of restated, re worded posts of one's position and how it is totally opposite of what the other guy said? In other words, a never ending arguement?

And about this "if s/he doesn't have any well defined opinion worth mentioning", it seems that just about EVERYONE has one of these.[;)]

Ricardo



Escribano -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 5 2007 5:59:51)

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And about this "if s/he doesn't have any well defined opinion worth mentioning", it seems that just about EVERYONE has one of these.


And there's the nub of it.



Escribano -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 5 2007 6:06:05)

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and with the logo added that would probably be enough to get started to make it appear related to the foro


Looks close, nice and clean. But for brand sharing it would have to be related (not just appear related) - cross linked, membership sharing etc. if it's any good I'll promote it and put a section in here for related discussions. Oh dear, did I really say that <sigh>.

The authentication model would be some work. You might need to call over to a web service here that I can write, to authenticate and vice versa. Let's see how it goes.

Good for you Taranto, for your initiative.



sonikete -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 5 2007 13:39:49)

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Different opinions shouldn't be a problem. I see it more like an interesting aspect of wiki. Imagine you author the page Flamenco Modes and analyze the palos from the "western major/minor system" point of view. I don't agree with you. Instead of deleting the parts that you have written, I continue in the same article, as an alternative method, and analyze flamenco modes from "church modes" point of view.


That was another reason that i suggested the media wiki, because there are options to discuss the contributions, revision history and banning options, and that helps to get clarity and resolve different issues.

Information structure is the most important thing if this is going to be an extensive encyclopedia, and there is the media wiki better as well.

And a flamencowiki got to be in spanish as well if we want indepth information, there are a lot of people in spain who study flamenco deeply but doesnt necessarily know any english, and it would be easier to translate their contributions than to make new ones.

And flamenco is based on palos, not church modes, so that would be a confusing angle, and id like to see an extensive letras section as well in a wiki.

But its a lot easier to complain than to actually do it so take my opinions anyway you like, its a very good initiative, even if i have some doubts about the structure.

[;)]



Taranto -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 5 2007 16:10:03)

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What,or who, is to keep that from becoming a back and forth never ending tennis match of restated, re worded posts of one's position and how it is totally opposite of what the other guy said? In other words, a never ending arguement?

The never ending arguments can be in the "Comments" area, but a documented opinion (not as a direct response or critique to another fellow author) should be in the main section.
If necessary category editors cancel a post or move it to another section.

Let me know if it's not yet clear.

Regards, Taranto



Taranto -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 5 2007 16:14:09)

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And a flamencowiki got to be in spanish as well if we want indepth information, there are a lot of people in spain who study flamenco deeply but doesnt necessarily know any english, and it would be easier to translate their contributions than to make new ones.


Don't be shy. Go ahead and translate those contributions or find somebody to translate them.

Regards, Taranto



sonikete -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 5 2007 16:37:51)

What i meant was that if it worked like wikipedia it would not be dependent on a handful of english speaking aficionados, it could involve a lot more people, and become a core central for flamenco info, just like wikipedia is for general information.

I have hardly time to make any longer posts here and even less time to make long contributions to an encyclopedia, because im more of a guitarist than a flamencologist, but there are hundreds of spanish speaking flamencologists who probably would like to do that.

Thats all i meant.



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Taranto -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 5 2007 16:50:59)

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im more of a guitarist than a flamencologist

That's good.
How about contributing a tutorial/lesson about a certain technique (pulgar, alzapua, ...), maybe with video or plain mp3.
Or record a minute or two sample of some palos.
Or maybe you have a composition you want to donate.
Or some transcriptions you've done.

Regards, Taranto



sonikete -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 5 2007 17:30:50)

There are millions of technique tutorials out there with people like chicuelo, moraito and gerardo on youtube as well as here, and examples of palos couldnt be better done than on the andalucia.og website, so i think me contributing there is a bit superfluous.

But i already said what i thought about it and to be honest what is putting me off a bit is that it doesnt really seem that democratic of a project because i think i have some valid points, and it would have been nice to have interested people here involved in the planning as well as just being asked to contribute with the content.

If i would put a lot of effort in contributing to a idealistic project like this i would like to see more of a plan of how its going to be built up and future goals with it.

There are already hundreds of sites with basic info about palos and technique in english and spanish, but what is lacking is a central source of indepth info like wikipedia.

Im sorry if offend you or if i sound negative but thats my honest opinion.



Ricardo -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 6 2007 17:09:11)

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but a documented opinion (not as a direct response or critique to another fellow author) should be in the main section.

Oh good, that is where I will post then.
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If necessary category editors cancel a post or move it to another section.


Good, could I be this person? That way I could delete and move stuff that diagrees with what I think.[;)][:D]

Seriously, Romerito has the right idea. The opinions should be stated and backed up with some research or reference, like a recording or video. You know, like we all do here.[8|]

Ricardo



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Taranto -> RE: The first FlamencoPedia on the net (Jan. 7 2007 2:41:56)

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Good, could I be this person? That way I could delete and move stuff that diagrees with what I think.

You are one of the most qualified people to be a category editor and I doubt that you would delete or move any well documented and well researched but differing articles.
I actually doubt that anybody with a minimum passion and knowledge of flamenco would do that. Differing ideas and points of view can only be interesting.

If interested let me know your nick and you can be a site admin.

Regards, Taranto



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