Yeah, I dont' recognize it. Probably it is an old one that we never saw him use. I will ask around and try to see it up close in Februrary. Actually, the orange top one he was using in 2004, was the same as the older one, but refinished on top. The sides and backs are the same, same rosette, but the color is different and the scratches repaired. But starting last year, the guitar he has is more yellowish and the wood on the sides looks different. This is the one I mean: http://www.flamenco-world.com/magazine/fotos/calendario2006/indice07122005.htm
I thought I read somewhere that he was getting his old one touched up a bit.
Jim Opfer -> RE: Paco's Conde (Dec. 14 2006 23:21:29)
I believe his 'useual' Conde was from Gravina 7 shop because that is where the Conde lineage was in the late 60's. This shop still advertises as being the supplier of Paco's guitar. Felipe V is now recognised as being the place but sometimes I wonder[8|]
MKodji -> RE: Paco's Conde (Dec. 15 2006 0:55:01)
I know that his initial one was from Gravina 7 made most likely by Faustino himslef. My question is on the new one that he is using. It looks like the ones made in Felipe V shop.
I can tell you as a fact that Paco does not play a Conde from the Felipe V shop. I heard this from Juan Estrada, which is Paco's personal assistant. The guitar he has been playing in concert is the same one he has used since about 1977 or 1978. The only thing is that is different is that the guitar was refinished in 2003. The guitar is from the Gravina shop that Faustino made. This guitar originally was his brother's, Ramon de Algeciras. This guitar is actually is a replacement for another negra he had but was unfortunately stolen. Ramon had it sitting in a closet and never played it because he said that was was very uncomfortable to play (Ramon told me this personally this summer when I was with him). Paco played it and loved it. From what Ramon said is that the guitar doesn't sound very good but Paco some how makes it sound (He could probably make a 2x4 with strings sound good). The guitar is also a 670mm. It's a monster size. I think Gerardo Núñez also plays a guitar that is a 670mm.
Errol's right; moreover, I spoke with Vicente Carrillo (PDL guitars luthier) last year, and he told me that guitar was the same as Paco had been using for years, but that he re-varnished it in 2003, because the top was a bit damaged.
Hmmm.....it's of no consequence, but this is a different guitar. I saw him ~3 years ago, he was using the same one he'd been using since I was born, but it was refinished in the burnt orange color, and the tuning machines were replaced with those Gotoh aluminum roller deals. I have a pic from the front row. This guitar's rosette is completely different, but looking at the headstock shape you can tell it's older, and likely from the Gravina shop......
If Paco is anything like most other flamenco players, he probably has a few Conde's lying around at home. I know there is a picture of Paco in a suite and tie with Manolo sanlucar next to him and Isidro, and Paco has a Conde I have never seen before. Checking out vid footage you saw him in La Barrosa with the peg head blanca, in Francisico Sanchez with an Orange blanca at his Mexican casa, then there is the trio footage with McLaughlin and Al Dimeola where he has the guitar you see him with in the Saura movie "Carmen". That looks like the same guitar Ramon had backing Paco up in Entre Dos Aguas where Paco had a stripped coat. Then there is a blanca with white tap plates he recorded with Camaron, you see them in the studio. None of those guitars are the main one he used all those years that had a scratch, finally was repaired as you said. But the latest guitar is a totally different color to my eyes, just look at the last live vid I linked.
I would not be surprised if he had a few more Conde's lying around at home, that we have never seen before.
Ricardo
Jim Opfer -> RE: Paco's Conde (Dec. 15 2006 16:55:05)
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Look at this picture (hope it works)
The rosette on this guitar looks like Felipe V, the same rosette as Tomatito's guitar. However, most important thing to see is the head. There is a difference between Gravina headstock and Felipe V. Gravina medio luna is more pronounced and better defined in it's shape. Felipe headstock is less sculped.
Yeah, you're definitely right about him having a few Condes. I've seen him 4 times, once in Sevilla and three times in Miami and he's always used the same Conde.
I'm sure he had probably around 20-40 guitars, perhaps some that he has never even played from various luthiers around the world.
I've heard that story Errol is sharing, and I was once given the impression that the one that was stolen from him in the 70's is the guitar in this video...
Ya, we can be certain that the one he plays now is completely different, and looks also relatively newly made too. If you search the words Paco and Wynton on google, you'll see some pictures of him playing with Wynton Marsalis at the Vitoria Jazz Fest this summer with this new guitar. Wish I knew more about that concert or had some audio of it, sounds very intriguing.
Oh, FYI, in promo photos for his upcoming North American tour, he is holding an "Andalusian Guitar", which Paco endorses in Canada anyway, don't know about the states. Very old woods, light guitars with extreme low action just as Paco prefers.
