Ricardo -> RE: Pitingo y Habichuelas (Nov. 8 2006 20:47:32)
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I have never believed in fusion. I see it as a pretext to learning things from other genres THAT WE NEVER DID BEFORE. His point being that he has his meetings with other types of musicians, NOT to become a jazz musician, or classical musician, but to learn about other music and add new ideas to his own flamenco music. In other words, to inspire him to create new and different things that were still FLAMENCO. Not to put jazz INTO flamenco. Like I said before, a lot of what Paco brought "home" to his flamenco, the things he learned are specific to the artists he collaborated with. Nuances and exact quotes from Mclughlin, staccato left hand muting from Dimeola, counter point of Corea, but by adding a bunch of "new" unrelated chords to his bulerias, that is not jazz, or even a specifically "jazz thing to do". He is not thinking like a jazz guitarist when doing that. When he has a tune with chords to solo over, then YES he is thinking more like a jazz player. But he knows when he does that, it is not really flamenco anymore. "Laymen" as you refered to some listeners, can't make the distinction between THAT (soloing over changes) and adding "weird" chords or scales to a bulerias. Both are "jazzy". To me they are different things. That is all I am or ever was saying. Calling modern flamenco "jazzy" is an unfair generalization in regards to the specifics of the music and a particular tocaor's style. But "laymen" AND aficionados do it all the time. Just trying to get more "underneath" it than the laymen, for those confused about the distinction. But the arguement is circular, so I am letting it go. (por fin huh?[:D]) Ricardo PS, the mystery guitarist, I am sure he is great as you say. But I bet he as a lot of good "stories" huh?[;)] He really couldn't tell the rpm on the record player was wrong, but he was able to learn flamenco quickly, BECAUSE he was a classical guitarist first???[:D] Oh and Bach tonality vs modality. You forgot about the importance of tempered tuning. Big difference there. But on guitar, regardless of the type of music, ii-V-I is not specific to any single type of music that uses chords. Just using a chord does not make something "jazzy" or not. But for flamenco and the guitar, there are a lot of "flamenco" chords IMO, thanks to timbre of the instrument, and fingering. For me that is where the Brazillian connection comes in too. Anyway, enough with this boring stuff from me, I could go for ever on this. Ricardo
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