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Florian -> RE: what ya think of my transcriptions (Oct. 24 2006 8:21:44)

yeah man i love that web, Conrad and Ben are great

i love the kind of music they transcribe

i download everything from there.

and play some of it
even submited some ramon jimenez and elviejin stuff

but i play tangos in tarantos key so i dont know if thats any good to anyone



Ricardo -> RE: what ya think of my transcriptions (Oct. 24 2006 16:42:55)

Yeah I like what they are doing. I have learned quite a few things from those guys. I am at a point right now where I just don't have time to sit at home and learn falsetas much. Only when a student wants to learn something does it give me an excuse to learn some new stuff. When I get a chance I will check out your transcriptions along with the recording.

Thanks for putting them up, but don't be offended if very few people get around to learning the stuff. Modern flamenco is very advanced music and most of the people that have the chops to learn the stuff, are in fact making their own falsetas or can pick it up by ear faster.

Anyway take care.

Ricardo



sonikete -> RE: what ya think of my transcriptions (Oct. 24 2006 23:51:59)

Thanks for the transcriptions, Romerito ! I think the name of the guitarist in the DVD is José Andrés Cortés.



bahen -> RE: what ya think of my transcriptions (Oct. 25 2006 6:19:48)

I agree with Ricardo - modern flamenco is quite advanced, and so your target audience is decidely small. I download Ben and Conrad's stuff in the hopes that I will one day come to acquire a taste for the modern stripes of flamenco. I would personally love to see more traditional stuff, like Diego del Gastor.

Nonetheless, thanks for your work.



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sonikete -> RE: what ya think of my transcriptions (Oct. 25 2006 19:08:09)

I think transcribing modern stuff is a very good idea, just for the very reason that you usually dont have so much time transcribing stuff even if you could.

And flamenco guitar in general has a pretty small audience anyway so if the objection is about not appealing to the masses then why bother transcribing things at all?

Maybe im being egoistic or elitist about it but i think modern toque is great the way it is, and besides, they would have to change their domain name and name of the website if they only had traditional falsetas.

Someone could startup a site called "traditional toque" if they feel like it, i wouldnt object to that either.



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sonikete -> RE: what ya think of my transcriptions (Oct. 25 2006 19:46:05)

I guess the stuff considered traditional now, was groundbreaking back then. And just because its new doesnt necessarily mean it would be difficult for a beginner or sound like jazz fusion, i mean there are 'modern' things that are a lot easier for beginners than a sabicas solo for example.

Im a big fan of Diego del Morao too, gimme more please!... lol



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Ricardo -> RE: what ya think of my transcriptions (Oct. 25 2006 20:21:57)

Check out Paco's latest from cositas buenas. I think I saw a transcription somewhere. Maybe pacodelucia.org? Vicente has since copied him on his latest CD, the second bulerias is in "E". Oh, but these guys are not using the cejilla, or maybe on 1, so they play up in 7th/8th position alot. Might not be what you are looking for.

For arriba I often try to transpose stuff I have already por medio, up a set of strings. Usually works nicely.

Ricardo



sonikete -> RE: what ya think of my transcriptions (Oct. 25 2006 20:22:10)

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IF ANYBODY HAS GOT MATERIAL FOR BULERIAS POR ARRIBA I NEED SOME> THX


The fastest way, if its urgent, is to speed up any soleá falseta you already know and rearrange it a bit to fit a higher tempo or transpose someting from some medio buleria you already feel comfortable with.

When i was in Granada a guy showed me a shortcut to composing, he took a soleá falseta and altered it to fit por tangos and voila, he got a tango falseta, it sounded completely fresh and if i hadnt known where it came from i would have considered him the next young guitar prodigy.



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Ricardo -> RE: what ya think of my transcriptions (Oct. 26 2006 3:15:18)

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What about "danceable" falsetas.

I took some lessons with this guitarist from barcelon while i was in japan. Great solid guitarist. He scoffed at the idea of "danceable falsets."


I agree 100% with the teacher. It should be fine to even play highly synchopated falsetas, lots of contras and stuff, even without palmas. Without palmas there can be a feeling of "floating", but once you practice and both guitar and dancer is "locked" in, it can be really cool. But of course it depends on the level of the dancer. If there is good palmas, I don't worry about it at all. If no palmero, I may opt to give the dancer "something under their feet", if you know what I mean? Most important thing is that the overall performance comes off well and tight.

Ricardo



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Ricardo -> RE: what ya think of my transcriptions (Oct. 26 2006 17:26:48)

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For example I am extremely interested in cante/dance accompaniment - but I can't just show up at a studio with zero knowledge, gotta have something under the belt.


Actually yeah you can, but only if you are pretty solid with compas. From there you can find a dance teacher willing to "hum" what she wants you to play. Try different things until she/he says "well, yeah that is ok I guess". No way to learn properly without first making tons of mistakes and embarrising yourself. As long as you dont keep making the same mistake of course![;)]

Make sure you learn from dancers with good compas. When a show or gig comes along, you learn what to do for the singer based on the structure of the dance you have practiced. Cante comes in little bits in the context of a big choreography so you can learn a lot about everything from a good dance teacher.

I was fortunate to have a few GREAT dancers in the area who liked and understood cante and had connections in spain to hire some maestro cantaors and cantaoras that I got to work with. Brief encounters, like ROMERITO mentioned, make a BIG and fast difference. It was easier to learn figuring it out on my own, then few times I was "back up" guitarist with the more knowleadgeable player. Because, like I said, YOU need to make the mistakes in order to really learn.

So I went to Spain also and Gerardo Nunez is very good at letting the students get exposure to cante and the overall "vibe" of real flamenco. He did not twist anyones arm and say "now you will accompany", but as a student it was clear how he was making those options available to anyone interested in trying. So yeah just go in and try...but make sure you are SOLID with compas, because you dont' want to mess up the class if they are just doing techiniques and stuff. Getting solid just means practice with metronme and record yourself. Once you are confident, learning the details is pretty easy.

Ricardo



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