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Jon Boyes -> Two guitar questions for UK folk (Nov. 24 2003 15:28:47)

Flamenco GAS is becoming a problem [;)] Just doing a little fact finding about UK prices..

If you have a flamenco guitar, what make/model is it and how much did it cost?

What's the cheapest supplier for the Yamaha CG171SF you've seen?

Ta.



el ted -> RE: Two guitar questions for UK folk (Nov. 24 2003 16:04:00)

HOLA JON,
i bought a CG171SF earlier this year it cost a few bob under £300 from fox's music in hull. have you tried one?



Escribano -> RE: Two guitar questions for UK folk (Nov. 24 2003 17:41:22)

I have a Bernal Amigo, nice student blanca - £450 from Stephen Hill in Lewes, he looks like he has a Prodigio in stock for £800. Have a look at http://www.spanishguitars.co.uk/shopguitars/shopguitars.html

He's selling up so you may get a good price.



Jon Boyes -> RE: Two guitar questions for UK folk (Nov. 25 2003 8:52:35)

Thanks guys.

Ted: no, I haven't tried one but assuming I do bite the bullet and buy a flamenco guitar, I'll only have a few hundred quid to spend and the Yamaha is getting good reviews.

I've tried a few cheapo flamencos so far, but they've all sounded like (cheap) classical guitars.
I'm hoping the Yamaha will have a proper flamenco response ie fast, light and percussive.

What do you think of it? Did you try many?

Jon



el ted -> RE: Two guitar questions for UK folk (Nov. 25 2003 9:30:49)

JON,
yes, for the money i can't imagine what else you could get this side of spain! I have six guitars ranging in value from the £300 yam to £3000 pegheads.
the yamaha PLAYS well. i am using savarez low tension on it at the moment, and it sounds right but lacks the volume and punch of some of my other guitars.
But for £3oo yam have done a hell of a job! No way does sound like a £300 classical. the action is way lower than any classical.
I ought to work for yamaha advertising shouldn't I?
hope this helps.
Flamenco, the true path!!



Jon Boyes -> RE: Two guitar questions for UK folk (Nov. 25 2003 10:20:07)

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ORIGINAL: el ted

JON,
yes, for the money i can't imagine what else you could get this side of spain! I have six guitars ranging in value from the £300 yam to £3000 pegheads....<snip> hope this helps.


Yes, it certainly does help, Ted. Its great to get an opinion from someone like yourself that owns a range of guitars right up to a luthier model, and can put the quality of the Yamaha in context.

Part of me says "oh no, I must get a Spanish Guitar", but I've always rated Yamaha gear as quality stuff, and they did take lessons from the Spaniards in guitar building [:)].

I suppose the question is whether I can find one near me to try out, or whether I (gulp) take the plunge and mail order one.

Cheers

Jon



el ted -> RE: Two guitar questions for UK folk (Nov. 25 2003 10:27:54)

jon,
i know what you mean about ''it must be spanish'' BUT, the japanese have become rather good at making cars, motorbikes, pianos etc haven't they? i would try one first though, picking a guitar is a very subjective thing.



Patrick -> RE: Two guitar questions for UK folk (Nov. 25 2003 15:31:22)

Jon,

I played one of the Yamaha's you are discussing and was very pleased with it. The thing to note is even though the action is fairly low; it really needs to be brought down more at the saddle. The thing to be very careful with is to look down the neck from the bridge end of the guitar. A bowed neck is going to make it impossible to get the action down where it should be. In all fairness, the one I played had a fairly straight neck. I just about bought it as a dinger to play.

The bass and mid were pretty weak, but the trebles were surprisingly nice.



Escribano -> RE: Two guitar questions for UK folk (Nov. 25 2003 19:59:04)

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A bowed neck is going to make it impossible to get the action down where it should be.


My £200 Yamaha classical is like a cheese cutter, the neck is carved from solid wood, I am sure the binding purfling and rosette are transfers, the tuners are crap and the back is one piece of wood. The saddle and nut are plastic, but it sounds OK[:D]



Jim Opfer -> RE: Two guitar questions for UK folk (Dec. 5 2003 16:24:30)

Jon,
I'm into this late on and I don't mean to contradict any other opinions but I would say, hold on to your money, save a bit more and try find a Bernal.
£ for £ his guitars are top rate.
Ask Ron M about his.
There's no question about it, if you don't get the right feel, response and sound, it'll have been a waste of good cash.
Don't buy the Yamaha!
Cheers
Jim.



Escribano -> RE: Two guitar questions for UK folk (Dec. 5 2003 18:07:30)

Agreed



Ron.M -> RE: Two guitar questions for UK folk (Dec. 5 2003 21:33:54)

Jon,
I'd definitely agree with Jim here.
The Bernal is certainly a nice guitar in it's price range.
I'm certainly not a Flamenco snob....in fact I have posted a message saying that Jim's Stephen Hill guitar was one of the best guitars I've tried ...ever!
But there is also a nice feeling to play a nice guitar which was made in La Provincia de Cadiz!
Maybe it's just psychological...in fact I'm sure it is.
Anyway, music is all about subjectivity.
Seriously though, in my experience, the difference between a guitar which sounds and feels nice and another which sounds and feels a little bit better can be thousands of pounds!
From what I've read on the Forums over the years, and now owning a Bernal, I would at least look into it if I were you.
At the end of the day, your knowledge and technique will have a far greater impact on your overall playing than the actual instrument.
That's what I believe anyway.

cheers

Ron



Patrick -> RE: Two guitar questions for UK folk (Dec. 5 2003 23:55:13)

My father used to say, "the differance between a guitar and a geetar, was $5,000".



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