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Jon Boyes -> Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 5 2006 14:06:39)

My duo partner Mark plays a piece called Zambra Mora as a solo spot which always goes down well with the audience.

You know the kind of stuff - drop D tuning, theatrics like drumming on the guitar, string bending and arabian scales to kick things off, then open strings creating a steady D drone to play eastern melodies over.

Whilst this stuff doensn't get me in the same way as a good bulerias, I decided to get a solo together as its quite fun and easy to play, quick to learn and audiences seem to lap it up.

Sabicas was obviously very fond of this style and recorded several pieces - anyone know if he invented it?

Just wondering what the rest of you guys thought of this stuff? Can it be considered flamenco at all? Any modern players done anything with it?



JBASHORUN -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 5 2006 14:38:22)

Not sure its "Modern" as such, but El Nino Miguel plays one such Zambra called "Embrujo Y Magia" on his CD "Diferente". Its a good one.

Jb



Jon Boyes -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 5 2006 14:52:12)

Aha, right thanks for that.



Mark2 -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 5 2006 16:07:22)

I agree it can be a crowd pleaser-it seems to have fallen out of favor at the moment, but it's only a matter of time before some great guitarist reworks it. I think Serranito or M. Sanlucar recorded a pretty good one too that was transcribed in one of the Japanese books. That's the most recent one I can think of.



Romanza -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 5 2006 16:16:47)

I really love Sabicas' Danza Arabe although wouldn't call it flamenco, dont recall there being many flamenco techniques as such and certainly doesnt fit into any palos i can think of (unless i am talking rubbish which is quite possible!)

welcome back..



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 5 2006 16:35:04)

Well, they used to dance zambras in Granada I believe. I think it was Carmen Amaya who was dancing zambras as a specialty. I could be misremembering things though.



MarkMc -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 7 2006 16:02:24)

Hi Jon,

Paco Pena plays an awesome one off his album: "Flamenco Guitar Music of R. Montoya & N. Ricardo". So I guess it goes as far back as Nino Ricardo...

That one would definately be a croud pleaser.
(I power tabbed it out too. If you want it send me a PM or an email)

cheers! [8D]



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 7 2006 17:34:02)

"Those were happy times, when, for a peseta, in the Bar del Manquet in Atarazanas [the heart of Barrio Chino], they served us real coffee with three lumps of sugar as we sat among a motley crowd of dockworkers applauding an impressive cuadro flamenco that we felt would someday make its mark on history. It was made up of Carmen Amaya "La Capitana", her aunt, Juana la Faraona, and exemplary model of gypsy beauty and unmatched in her zambras and farrucas, La Romerito, unique in her more stylized alegrías and sevillanas, and El Gato, with his serious masculine demeanor, accompanied on guitar by El Chino (father of La Amaya) and Manolo Bulerías. A group that, for a few glasses of manzanilla wine, would treat us to some extra performances outside of the regular program and thank us for our faithful attendance."

http://www.flamenco-world.com/artists/amaya/amaya4.htm



jrabbani -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 7 2006 18:17:04)

i may be wrong, but i believe tarrega has a danza mora piece...i think i have it in one of my books around here
so i guess that means it goes back to the 19th century?

juben



Skai -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 9 2006 14:38:57)

The Tarrega transcription of the Albeniz's piano Danza Mora is more of Spanish classical.

And yes I agree, the zambra by Nino Ricardo that Pena plays on that album is the most haunting and beautiful, especially the tremolo section. To me, that zambra is unbeaten by any others.

No hitting of guitar bodies here though. It comprises of just melodies over the bassline and an amazing tremolo section. No theatrics but just simply excellent music.



Jon Boyes -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 9 2006 15:11:20)

Thanks for the suggestions. I have that Paco Pena album somewhere on cassette and now i can't find the damn thing anywhere [:(] Shame as it was full of old school goodies IIRC.



Paleto -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 12 2006 22:04:18)

I believe Zambra has been around for a long time.

Read this link:

http://www.esflamenco.com/palos/enzambra.html

Paco Peña played one a long time ago which he recorded and appears on the Fabulous Flamenco CD which is really 18 pieces shown here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fabulous-Flamenco-Paco-Pena/dp/B000007UCC/sr=1-1/qid=1160690277/ref=pd_bowtega_1/202-1140545-6342217?ie=UTF8&s=music

A more recent rendition of zambra was recorded by El Viejin, under the title A los niños que sufren and which appears in the 2nd volume of transcriptions from his CD Algo que decir. I am about to start learning it because it has been transcribed for 2 guitars, solo or for 3 guitars - you get to choose.

Zambra to me always seemed kind of cheezeball, but so have a few other toques that just weren't getting a lot of attention. I think the reason many of us aren't as enamoured of Zambra or whatever the case may be is that the more modern guitarists have neglected to compose within them, so it really is just a lack of creativity and attention given the particular toque.

As my repertoire grows, I plan to try to compose some cool things in some neglected areas for fun, but I think I need to have a really strong understanding of them to do it. So it awaits my attention for another several months.

I plan to learn the Paco Peña one since I bought the transcription (thanks to Koella). I will then work at changing it little by little until I have a grasp at what works within it.

I think Zambra could be a real crowd pleaser with some due attention and creativity.

-Anthony



aloysius -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 16 2006 12:47:44)

Here are two of my own Zambras:

www.aloysiusleeson.com/Assets/Almah.mp3

www.aloysiusleeson.com/private/alba.mp3

I play a third one at gigs which I think is from Sabicas that my first teacher taught me - easy to play and it always goes down well, I'll record and upload it if I get the time. I think I've already posted one of these; hopefully I'm not repeating myself too much.

- Aloysius



Romanza -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 19 2006 21:52:05)

Jon, thought you might like to see this Paco Pena vid, noticed it on the side of a post in the upload section

(called Amancer Arabe)



bahen -> RE: Zambras, danzas and other arabian whatnot (Oct. 22 2006 17:51:01)

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ORIGINAL: Romanza

Jon, thought you might like to see this Paco Pena vid, noticed it on the side of a post in the upload section

(called Amancer Arabe)


Does anyone have the tab for this?



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