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jrabbani -> I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 1:36:44)
hey everyone so I have this opportunity to teach a 10week seminar at my school (UCLA) of my choice. Naturally, I decided to instruct a seminar on flamenco. Since I am an Anthropology major, the course shall have a perspective from the aforementioned discipline. Anways, I have to provide a BRIEF 10 week outline of the course, and I am stuck on weeks 8 and 9. I was wondering if anyone could recommended anything for the missing slots. Any other recommendations would be great also, I did type this thing up in about 5 minutes. And I will have guest musicians throughout the course as well. by the way, week 6 is going to be my thesis when I pursue my PHD in Anthropology...like an anthropology of music. Week 1- an introduction to flamenco: a brief history Week 2- Key musicians of flamenco: the 19th century to present Week 3- musical structure of specific palos (songs):compas and the interaction between the dancer, singer, and guitarist Week 4- old vs. modern flamenco (the various cultural influences) Week 5- Paco de Lucia: his impact on flamenco Week 6- flamenco and the everyday lives of the musicians (using Durkheim’s argument of how musical events are like a religious experience) Week 7- the significance of Solea, Alegria, and Buleria Week 8- Week 9- Week 10- where flamenco is today thanks again! juben[:D]

ykabban -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 2:57:19)
I would include "Duende" somewhere(I'm sure you are), because it can be defined in so many ways. Week 6 seems appropriate for this, but I would put it near the end. You could talk about "what is not flamenco", Ottmar, Cook, Mariachi etc.... Perhaps talk a little bit about what in flamenco has died. Pose a question- what should change, what has to change and why....... If you don't devote an entire week to Vicente Amigo I'll take it as a personal insult. I wrote a stout paper on flamenco in college(Anthropology), really enjoyed it; sounds like a really cool opportunity for ya. Have fun with it!

jrabbani -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 3:06:05)
its funny that you mention the duende aspect, i had that as week 4, but decided i would include it in week 6 (as you said) and i was also going to cover what flamenco is not in week 1, with the introduction. thanks for the response ykabban, and i will definitely incorporate some of your suggestions juben

ricecrackerphoto -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 3:38:40)
congrats juben! sounds like a fun gig. since i'm in LA also, can i audit the class? also are you gonig to be taking any field trips to some performances in town? if you want, i can come in and hack through an alegrias during week one to illustrate what is NOT flamenco. [:)] since there are so many great players in town, it would be cool if you could have some of them perform. maybe g.v. rubio could come in on week 8 and deconstruct the flamenco guitar. doug

Ricardo -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 4:12:52)
Show a video those two weeks. Rito y Geografia del Cante, select clips depending on class length. Make sure the clips you choose tie in with what you discuss. They now are selling the whole set in reissued box with cleaned up vid and audio with subtitles in English and a book describing all the folks involved in the scenes. Only 130 bucks or so. Essential for aficionados and students IMO. Wish I had found that stuff when I was in college, or it was in the library you know? Ricardo

Miguel de Maria -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 7:30:37)
You might do a week on Federico Lorca, his flamenco competition, and his relationship to flamenco.

Doitsujin -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 7:57:43)
Sounds like a occupational therapy. You could let them do some groupwork. Let them do ..maybe some of these mindmaps. 10Weeks flamenco? puuuh... thats much.

Romanza -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 9:18:15)
sounds like a great course. what about flamenco in literature or film? eg carlos saura etc. also you could look at the popularity of flamenco outside of spain, eg the popularity in japan, and the rise of non-spanish flamenco artists and where this is going, what it means for flamenco? also maybe in an depth look at the gypsies and what it means to 'be' flamenco.

Georg -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 9:40:27)
What about the whole percussion thing? Palmas, cajon, the stick, I think also the tongue and so on. The Cajon is used more and more in different music styles, but Paco was the one who discovered it and made it known. Perhaps the imitation of drum roll in the saeta via string crossing.

PacoPaella -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 11:01:55)
Your topics are deceiving [;)] that you dedicate one whole day to paco, but not even mention camaron, tells that you are a guitarist! Overall though i think Camaron was the most important artist.

Doitsujin -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 14:24:53)
Good musician, but not very representative character...only if you wanna arrange a drug-seminar with the topic. How can I kill myself with drugs on the fastest way.[:(] So sad. He could still live and invent new stuff. How would flamenco-singing be now, if he would live?.... Very different, I think.

jrabbani -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 17:48:06)
doug you can come in all you want, im just not sure if you can. that is, if UCLA will allow it because it is an undergrad seminar that is taught by undergrads (myself), so i am not sure if the same rules of auditing applies. ill keep you posted once i know ricardo i plan on showing many clips that are pertinent to my lectures, but i will definietly check out your recommendations Miguel I am going to discuss Lorca in week 2 (so i guess i should change it back to "key persons of flamenco") Romanza most the topics that you are proposing i will discuss in week 10 (where flamenco is, how it has expanded outside of spain, and where it may go in the future) but thank you, i will keep in mind the popularity of non-spanish artists Gux good idea, i can incorporate some of those percussions into one of the weeks, perhaps in the old vs. modern flamenco Paco I chose PDL because 1) i am going into this course with the expectation that my students have little to no background in flamenco 2) since i have such an expectation, i do not think the students could appreciate what camaron did for flamenco, juxtaposed to Paco's contribution, which is easier to demonstrate 3) camaron will be brought up many times (in weeks 2 and 5) 4) once the students learn more about the key players of flamenco and camaron, i hope they will take the initiative to go out by themselves and seek other artists and 5) yes, i am a guitarist ahaah thanks guys for taking the time to respond, it means a lot, and its very helpful. please keep em coming! juben[:)]

Florian -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 18:21:14)
May i suggest starting them softly so u dont lose them, eaze them into it. the full flamenco cante is too much of a shock to a nonflamencos ears as theyr first view into flamenco. eaze them into it just like you would a kid that cant swim in a pool for the first time. I think a good voice that wont scare anyone and it has some modern stuff to create a bridge between what they are used too and what we are used too is Pitingo - Con Habichuelas track 7. Celos (tangos) or Ketama

Miguel de Maria -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 27 2006 22:13:33)
Actually, it might not be a bad idea to start with Gypsy KIngs or the guitar trio--hear me out. This is the way that most of us got into this whole thing. So in this condensed course, maybe it could be a suitable bridge or opening for your students. Then you can compare and contrast it with the "real thing".

jrabbani -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 28 2006 5:13:41)
you know miguel, thats good a point i think i may do that... oh yea, i forgot to say: the course meets once a week for an hour... thanks again!

Ricardo -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 28 2006 6:25:45)
You play flamenco guitar, no doubt there may be a few others taking the class that do as well. Have a day where they and yourself bring in the guitars for a little live up close demo. Ricardo

jrabbani -> RE: I need some advice (Sep. 28 2006 23:01:32)
i plan on having demonstrations during weeks 3 and 7 i hope there are other artists enrolled from my extensive search, there is little to no guitarists i believe i found one other flamenco guitarist and 2 "flamingo" guitarists and some dancers here and there, but i dont think theyre too serious about it i guess there isnt too much of a flamenco community at UCLA thanks juben

jrabbani -> RE: I need some advice (Oct. 5 2006 14:55:53)
ricardo where did you see the box set? im having a hard time find them in stock. could you recommend a flamenco site that i could buy from? thanks juben

Ricardo -> RE: I need some advice (Oct. 5 2006 21:57:41)
I got a few of them from flamenco Vive in madrid. Should have gotten the whole set but I was not sure if I could find the NTSC versions. Flamenco Connection now has it. It is PAL only. Not sure why you can't find it elsewhere, perhaps just ask about it because it is a new product as of this summer. Ricardo

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