RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Full Version)

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bernd -> RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Sep. 5 2006 13:26:44)

There are different measurements of the diameter. Make sure you have the correct thickness of the bone plate so that it´s not too thin for the inlay slit.

Saludos
Bernd



JBASHORUN -> RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Sep. 5 2006 13:59:25)

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There are different measurements of the diameter. Make sure you have the correct thickness of the bone plate so that it´s not too thin for the inlay slit.


true. Its usually best to start off with a blank that is too thick, and then thin it down to size yourself with the sanding board. you're looking for a snug fit.

Jb



deyo -> RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Sep. 5 2006 22:58:49)

So guys, what kind of strings (tension, type and brand) would you suggest to improve my trebles (and probably basses also, along the way) ? I am sorry, i know that this topic must have been discussed a lot of times, but the forum search engine doesn't work for me [&o]



ToddK -> RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Sep. 5 2006 23:16:13)

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So guys, what kind of strings (tension, type and brand) would you suggest to improve my trebles (and probably basses also, along the way) ? I am sorry, i know that this topic must have been discussed a lot of times, but the forum search engine doesn't work for me


Try some medium tension Saverez alliance. They're on the bright side.

Buy the sharp flamenco tone ,, that comes from your fingers,
and the way you hit the string. Remember, Its not the same as classical technique.[;)]



the_jamez -> RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Sep. 6 2006 15:32:02)

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but the forum search engine doesn't work for me


Me neither, is there any way it can be fixed ?



Escribano -> RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Sep. 6 2006 15:45:53)

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Me neither, is there any way it can be fixed ?


Requests have been made to our hoster on several issues that they have ignored. Trying my best.



the_jamez -> RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Sep. 8 2006 7:27:39)

So any chance of audio or video to find out how this guitar plays?



Hugh -> RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Sep. 28 2006 20:12:20)

I just got my CG 171 SF delivered today. I played it for five minutes and then said "stuff this, these strings have got to go".
The guitar is a lovely well made for the money instrument. But the strings they put on it are crap to say the least. The neck was sticky as hell to play also.
I smoothed off the fingerboard with t-cut and then rubbed in a guitar oil and polished it off. Its now much more playable.
I put on D'Addario normal tension, but really I think it needs hard tension.
It had a fairly bad buzz on the first string third fret, but a small bit of filing soon sorted that. There were a few more small buzzes when I first played it, but with the full tension on the neck now (as the strings were not tuned in any way) they seem to have gone after some aggressive playing.
It sounded a bit dull at first, but with a few hours playing in, it now sounds pretty good, and getting better all the time. I agree with the statement made before that the bass strings have loads of power, but the trebles seem too classic sounding. But I find as I search for a flamenco sound, they are much more giving now. So its probably me and not the guitar.
I found this with my Yamaha classical when I purchased it many years ago. It sounded poor at first, but after running it in so to speak, ended up sounding really sweet.
I think that the fact its sitting in a box for god knows how long and with practically no tension on the neck, it does it no favours at all. I believe when a guitar has'nt been played for a while (or never been played) it acts up for the first week or so.
I can see the contrast in sound now between a classical and a flamenco. the 171 sustains much more and has far more attack when you hit it. One thing that surprises me though is, the neck on the flamenco is slightly wider than my classical.
But I find this aids my right hand picking to a degree.
So far, I am well pleased with the guitar, and I believe in the next few days it will sound even better. Any problem lies, not with the guitar, but with me. I have to get out of the classical playing mode and focus on playing it flamenco style.
So, yes, I'd say that it is well worth the money. it cost £245.23 delivered to the door. But as previously stated - just remember, it is a factory built instrument, so dont go expecting a hand-made super sounding wonder.
£245 is nothing in the guitar world, so this is a bargain in my opinion.
I would'nt want to go any dearer, or cheaper for that matter, with my first flamenco.
If I am successful and get to a level of playing that I think is worthy of a hand made instrument, then I shall obtain one eventually.
This guitar will do the business for now. As I said - I am well chuffed with it.
Hope this helps any other people interested in this guitar.



Georg -> RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Sep. 29 2006 22:10:54)

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ORIGINAL: Hugh

I can see the contrast in sound now between a classical and a flamenco. the 171 sustains much more



are you sure? normally it should be the other way round. Classical guitars have more sustain than flamenco guitars.



JBASHORUN -> RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Sep. 29 2006 22:58:48)

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ORIGINAL: Hugh

I can see the contrast in sound now between a classical and a flamenco. the 171 sustains much more sustain



are you sure? normally it should be the other way round. Classical guitars have more sustain than flamenco guitars.



Indeed it should. But my Yamaha has about the same sustain as my cheap classical. there may be a difference in tone and attack, but I don't hear much sustain difference. Maybe its just my guitar/s.

Jb



Hugh -> RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Sep. 30 2006 6:51:17)

There definately is a good amount of sustain on the 171. Just go's to show how much I know. I thought that was normal for a flamenco. Certainly the strings on the classical are way by their sell-by date, but if I really hit the 171, it really does sustain.
Now you got me worried. The fact that its not normal for this to happen.

It may be just the fact that its much louder than the classic clouding my judgement too.



Georg -> RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Sep. 30 2006 13:53:00)

Let me worry you a bit more[;)]:

Normally a flamenco guitar is also not as loud as a classical guitar. All this comes from the smaller body (besides other factors).

But:

1) You said that you recently changed the strings of the yamaha. When did you change the strings of your classical guitar? This could be the reason. Put new good strings on a guitar and your sound improves a lot.

2)What classical guitar do you have? Perhaps she (I know grammatically it should be it, but guitars must be female) is just a cheap one?

And after all... Hey perhaps it is a negra masked as a blanca [;)] (because negras have more sustain). Then you should be glad - they are normally more expensive.

If you like the sound you should be happy. I for example have an Amalio Burguet ABF and I can often read that for the money you could get more and this is probably true. But hell I like her and Amalio.


Greets [sm=Smiley Guitar.gif].



Hugh -> RE: Yamaha CG 171-SF (Sep. 30 2006 21:06:30)

My other guitar is a Yamaha CG 150 CA. It has a single cut-away so this may account for the lesser volume than the 171. Indeed the strings are well worn. They were due a change, so yes they are pretty dull sounding.
It is a very mellow sounding classic compared to some. Maybe just the way I play it.
You say flamenco's are generally quieter, I thought that the idea of it being made from different woods was to bring out the sound more than the classical.
I'll put new strings on the classical and compare it again with the 171.
I remember when I first got the classic, it took forever to play-in. The neck was terrible. But it is now a great guitar. The 171 seems to be more giving, I'm starting to get some pretty good response out of it already. I changed the strings to high tension today, and it seems to be more suited to that guage.
I know I'm just a novice at the flamenco thing at the moment, and not really sure what sound I should be looking for. I'm still classical minded thats the problem I think.
But, as always. I'll get there eventually.



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