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breeder -> Pick thickness??? (Jul. 28 2006 17:18:30)

hi

what should be pick thickness for tremolo.
I have one .60 mm and one a little lighter about .50 mm(on pick stands only light)

but i think that it could be more lighter around 0.30 0.40.
This is the first time i play with pick and want to know it is because my techique with pick is poor or i need lighter pick.



JBASHORUN -> RE: Pick thickness??? (Jul. 28 2006 18:56:16)

LOOOOOOOOOL!!!! [sm=lol.gif]

Dude, pick thickness?! are we talking plectrums here?! For tremolo?!

Do yourself a favour and get a copy of the Graf Martinez tuition book. It won't teach you much about tremolo, but it will teach you the basics of Flamenco.


tremolo is more of an advanced technique... it sometimes takes years to master. And NO- it doesn't use a pick/plectrum!!! Its all done with the bare fingers alone. As is the whole of Flamenco.

If you really wanna practice tremolo, I think the Juan serrano "Basic Techniques" book has a few exercises on it.

lol, maybe I misunderstood you... did you think tremolo used a plectrum?

Actually there's some guy called Uli Jon Roth who plays Recuerdos De La Alhambra on an electric guitar (with a plectrum, I think)...

And didn't ToddK develop some Flamenco techniques with a plectrum?


Jb



breeder -> RE: Pick thickness??? (Jul. 28 2006 20:20:58)

I think you misunderstood me :)!?
I tought that term "tremolo" is used for wide variations of rapid "string(s)" playing
I'm talking here about thickness of pick for "single string playing"



JBASHORUN -> RE: Pick thickness??? (Jul. 28 2006 20:38:29)

quote:

I think you misunderstood me :)!?

I'm talking here about thickness of pick for "single string playing"


I'm not sure I understand, Breeder... If by the word "pick" you mean a plectrum (small, flat, triangular piece of plastic used to pluck guitar strings), I don't think Flamenco uses a pick for any technique- even on a single string.

Flamenco tremolo uses pulgar (thumb) strokes on strings 6-2 and index-annular-middle-index plucks on the 1st string.

But maybe you meant something else, no?

tremolo on electric and steel string guitars uses a plectrum and is a single-string technique. this is sometimes used by guitarists from other genres like "Noveau Flamenco"... I believe Strunz & Farah might do this sort of thing. I like a bit of Strunz and Farah, and even some Noveau Flamenco. but this is not really considered the same type of Flamenco as is usually appreciated on this forum.


Cheers,

Jb


Jb



JBASHORUN -> RE: Pick thickness??? (Jul. 28 2006 20:46:35)

quote:

I tought that term "tremolo" is used for wide variations of rapid "string(s)" playing


Breeder, you're right- it is. But Flamenco tremolo is different to a classical tremolo, which also different from the type of tremolo that is done with a pick.

"Flamenco" tremolo: p-i-a-m-i (without pick)

"classical" tremolo: p-a-m-i (without pick)

steel string style tremolo: up-down-up-down (with pick)


Thats not to say you can't do Flamenco tremolo on a steel string guitar or use a pick to do "up-down" tremolo on a nylon string guitar.
Both are/have been done.

But as Far as Flamenco puro is concerned, tremolo usually goes piami without a pick.


Cheers,


Jb



breeder -> RE: Pick thickness??? (Jul. 28 2006 21:39:27)

Ok now we have clear some things here [:D]

My question :

what should be pick(plectrum) thickness for steel string style(with pick "up-down...") tremolo on nylon string guitar???

Is this question now ok,JBASHORUN?[:D]



JBASHORUN -> RE: Pick thickness??? (Jul. 28 2006 22:14:29)

quote:

Ok now we have clear some things here

My question :

what should be pick(plectrum) thickness for steel string style(with pick "up-down...") tremolo on nylon string guitar???

Is this question now ok,JBASHORUN?


Well, thats a matter of taste... it depends on the player. I heard somewhere that Al Di Meola uses a very thin plectrum (although I cannot confirm that this is true). Al Di Meola is capable of very fast playing both in terms of scales and "steel string tremolo". When I first started playing steel string guitar, I used to use a thin plectrum too because I found that the flexibility of the thinner picks suited my style. But I soon graduated to a thicker plectrum because the flexibility of the pick started to become annoying as I got faster... I would go to pluck a string with the thin plectrum, and the pick would bend. we're talking about VERY thin plectrums here.. about .38mm!

These days I use about a .73 pick usually... But I use a "Dunlop Tortex Sharp" which has a very sharp, pointed tip to facilitate quick up-down movements. These sharp plectrums have a less rounded tip than the regular picks, its almost like a point:

http://www.jimdunlop.com/index.php?page=products/pip&id=13&pmh=products/picks

I'm told that the key to good, fast up-down-up picking is to only touch the string with the very, very tip of the pick. And not to depress the plectrum deep below the line of the strings.

Some players use an elbow movement for this technique, others use the wrist. it depends which you prefer. But either way, the movements need to be as small as possible- economy of motion.

Anyway, this has very little to do with Flamenco, so I'm gonna stop there before Simon deletes this whole thread!


Hope that helps!


Jb



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