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TANúñez -> Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Oct. 30 2003 22:19:38)
I ordered the Flamenco Method by Graf-Martinez today. I wanted to get back to the basic and ordered the Koster Keys to Flamenco Guitar a while back. I completed it but felt like something was still missing. The material was good but a little dry. After listening to the samples of the Graf-Martinez method on his website I got a smile on my face because I loved what I heard. This could be what I've been looking for.

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TANúñez -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Nov. 11 2003 18:21:08)
Hey Andy, no I only ordered Vol. I because I didn't know what to expect. I should have and will now order Vol II. This book is excellent. Although I have most of the techniques down it was a great refresher. The material is more "flamenco" compared to Kosters books. His are good too but I am much more pleased with the way Graf-Martinez explains things.

eslastra -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Nov. 11 2003 18:25:19)
El Z, Good choice! The materials in there are very practical for developing the rhythmic feel for the 8 and 12 count compas. Listen as closely as possible to the recorded examples, there are nuances that are sometimes impossible to put in notation. Graf does a good job of making sure these come through. Volume 2 is a little more advanced and interesting, but I suggest to make sure you have the materials in Volume 1 well under your fingers before you jump to that one. It will be worth the time spent. Happy Playing!

TANúñez -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Nov. 11 2003 18:50:06)
Hi Eddie. Your right. I'm not planning on starting two until I can do Vol. I in my sleep. After I finish the Koster books I would play what I learned but something was missing. I don't know what it was. It sounded like I learned the material from a book which I did LOL! Grafs are different. More authentic, more flavor. Good stuff. I was talking to Ted on the phone the other day. He told me you were his teacher. Say hi to him for me the next time you guy's meet.

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TANúñez -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Nov. 11 2003 20:31:54)
Hey Andy, the soundhole view is awesome. I love the fact that he really goes into Bulerias compas. This is probably the best method I've tried. What are you and Eddie going over this stuff? I thought you guys were pros. The both of you know enough to come out with your own teaching methods.

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eslastra -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Nov. 12 2003 5:21:18)
quote: ORIGINAL: El Zurdo Hey Andy, the soundhole view is awesome. I love the fact that he really goes into Bulerias compas. This is probably the best method I've tried. What are you and Eddie going over this stuff? I thought you guys were pros. The both of you know enough to come out with your own teaching methods. El Z, I love teaching guitar so I'm always on the lookout for materials that are practical and effective. With so many books and videos out on the market, it is easy these days for a student to end up spending a lot of money and still not have the right materials. I have just about everything that's ever been published in the last 50 years. Some are excellent and some are not so good. Most flamenco guitar books have been geared towards solo guitar playing. Graf's books seem to be geared more towards developing accompaniment skills, though it never mentions that anywhere in the books. But it's evident as soon as you listen to the recorded examples. I think the bulerias explanations in Vol 1 are about the most comprehensive I've seen in print. Vol 2 has an excellent section on describing the palos, even some of the obscure ones. There's a lot of information packed in these 2 volumes. Graf really did his homework before he wrote these books so there's no need for me to develop yet another method. Why reinvent the wheel? Me a pro? Not in the least [&:] Guitar is simply a passion and hobby that I sometimes can make a few bucs with [:D]. I have tremendous respect for those who make a living through their art. Those are the real pros.

TANúñez -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Nov. 12 2003 13:10:01)
Eddie, I was also surprised to see that Graf touched a little bit about palmas. I think this is often overlooked on other guitar methods and I feel to be a complete flamenco guitarist you should also try and learn some of the different palmas patterns used. Many times their on a different rhythmic structure and it could get easy to get lost in the compas Actually I get lost from time to time in the compas when I'm playing solo. I can image how it would be like to have palmas going at the same time.

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TANúñez -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Nov. 12 2003 16:05:16)
Hey Andy. I actually do that too. I'll put on some CD's and not even touch the guitar but just do palmas. IMO, one of the best ways to learn how the guitar works is to do palmas and just listen to what the guitar is doing.

Bob Arbuckle -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Nov. 12 2003 18:35:39)
Hi Eddie, I'm still waiting for Vol.2. I have Vol 1 and agree with everyone, that Graf-Martinez does a good job. His examples capture the Flamenco Aire. You mentioned that he covers Bulerias in Vol 1, but I cannot find it? The CD has an extensive section on Bulerias, but I think it's covered in Vol 2. Looking forward to Vol 2. Bob

Guest -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Nov. 12 2003 20:23:16)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bob Arbuckle Hi Eddie, I'm still waiting for Vol.2. I have Vol 1 and agree with everyone, that Graf-Martinez does a good job. His examples capture the Flamenco Aire. You mentioned that he covers Bulerias in Vol 1, but I cannot find it? The CD has an extensive section on Bulerias, but I think it's covered in Vol 2. Looking forward to Vol 2. Bob Bob, Mucho apologies, you're right. That's the problem with posting from work, I don't have ready access to my library [:(] Since the CD for both books comes with Vol 1, you do get a sneak peak at volume 2, a good teaser. BTW, I may be coming out to Chicago again in the next year, hope we could hook up this time. [8\|]

eslastra -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Nov. 12 2003 20:55:29)
quote: ORIGINAL: El Zurdo Eddie, I was also surprised to see that Graf touched a little bit about palmas. I think this is often overlooked on other guitar methods and I feel to be a complete flamenco guitarist you should also try and learn some of the different palmas patterns used. Many times their on a different rhythmic structure and it could get easy to get lost in the compas Actually I get lost from time to time in the compas when I'm playing solo. I can image how it would be like to have palmas going at the same time. El Z Practicing palmas is also the best way to get the compas 'into the bones'. Another good thing to develop is foot tapping the accents along with the palmas. This will help you maintain compas while playing guitar. You'll notice many guitarists will mark the compas with their foot taps, especially accompanists. It's always a challenge for me to play against live palmas. It keeps you 'honest' [:)] And yes, I do drift out every now and then, as I'm sure Andy can attest [:@]

Guest -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Dec. 22 2003 19:29:17)
Who is this GRAF-MARTINEZ ???? Never saw any books round here? Is there any ref. www. ? Saludos Louis

TANúñez -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Dec. 22 2003 22:59:25)
www.graf-martinez.com

duende -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Dec. 28 2003 21:13:05)
i have leard a lot from his books I have them in german.....witch means that i don´t understad anything but you can always hear and learn the music. Henrik

gerundino63 -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Dec. 28 2003 23:14:15)
I speak rather good German, so if I can translate something for you, or anybody else, let me know! greetings, Peter

sbarnard -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Jan. 22 2004 19:47:43)
Went to his web site this afternoon - looks like he is putting out a DVD with his books. Wish I would have waited to buy them.[&o]

Guest -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Jan. 28 2004 12:59:27)
Yes - G-Martinez will publishing 2 DVDs in spring. A small preview (movie) I saw on his site. It looks great - multi-angle, scoreplayer etc. - go Graf-Martinez Juan de pais bajo

Guest -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Jan. 30 2004 18:38:06)
Hello, knows anybody - where can I buy Vol 2 of Graf-Martinez method here in the states??? Thanx Chris Mirkowitsch

Guest -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Dec. 13 2004 5:38:38)
I am a flamenco guitarist and I would definitely recommend Juan Martin's book that comes with a DVD, Juan Martin is a great teacher. By any chance has anyone heard of a technique called the machine gun alzapua and how it is developed. I have a decent alzapua but I have seen clips of Vicente Amigo and Paco de Lucia and when they do alzapua their thumb comes really close to the saddle and the hand looks like it is spasaming, and the speed is really fast, it likes some wrist action but I was wondering if anyone knew about this technique.

Jon Boyes -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Dec. 13 2004 7:53:14)
quote: ORIGINAL: Guest I have a decent alzapua but I have seen clips of Vicente Amigo and Paco de Lucia and when they do alzapua their thumb comes really close to the saddle and the hand looks like it is spasaming, and the speed is really fast, it likes some wrist action but I was wondering if anyone knew about this technique. Intertesting you mention those two, as their approach to Alzapua is different. Paco's is the regular wrist action one, where the movement comes from a rotation of the forearm similar to a triplet rasgueado, and Vicente plays his with a stationery forearm and the movement coming from the thumbs base joint where it attaches to the wrist. I use the later technique too, I found I could get it faster and go for longer without fatigue. Try both and use whichever works for you, really. Jon

Patrick -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Dec. 13 2004 17:41:36)
quote: Hello, knows anybody - where can I buy Vol 2 of Graf-Martinez method here in the states??? Chris, Flamenco connection has it. You may want to hold off a bit. I got an Email from Gerhard a couple of weeks ago. He said his new DVD will be available in US format in a few weeks.

Miguel de Maria -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Dec. 13 2004 18:33:15)
The way I was taught alzapua in Sevilla (by Tino van der Smaan, Eduardo Rebollar, and Miguel Angel Cortes) was as follows: The thumb is completely limp and without any muscular tension. The movement comes completely from the wrist. First do the golpe, THEN move the wrist. Once you get this down, you can move to doing them at the same time. This being a solid and efficient foundation, you will find that at very fast speeds the thumb will stiffen and eventually pretty much take over the whole movement, as the movement becomes smaller and smaller. But this is something that should happen at high levels of proficiency. It works! By the way, Pedro Cortes, an American flamenco of some prominence, doesn't seem to like the golpe to use too much nail. More of a thump than a tap. His alzapua is monstrously fast and loud. Although I think that anyone can achieve a good alzapua, without a quarter of the work of picado. It's a very impressive technique!

sbarnard -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Dec. 15 2004 17:35:14)
quote: Flamenco connection has it. You may want to hold off a bit. I got an Email from Gerhard a couple of weeks ago. He said his new DVD will be available in US format in a few weeks. Anyone in Europe buy the DVDs yet? It's been out in PAL for quite a while. I was hoping for NTSC format before x-mas (so I could put it on my wish list), but I guess I'll have to buy it myself. [edit] Wow, nevermind. I found Jon Boyes comments on G-M's website!

Escribano -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Dec. 15 2004 17:42:06)
quote: I was hoping for NTSC format before x-mas FYI, DVDs discs themselves are not in different output formats. They do carry a region code but there are many players that can play muti-region DVDs. Standalone DVD players ARE specific in the analogue signal they send out to the TV e.g. NTSC, PAL etc. So you could buy one and watch it on a multi-region player or on your computer with a DVD drive and multi-region software

sbarnard -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Dec. 15 2004 17:50:02)
quote: So you could buy one and watch it on a multi-region player or on your computer with a DVD drive and multi-region software Hey Simon- Do you know where I can get muli-region software? I've looked before, but have not been able to find it. You can PM the info to me if you like.

Escribano -> RE: Graf-Martinez Flamenco Method (Dec. 15 2004 17:54:03)
Nope, can't help. I just know it exists. Maybe someone else can help?

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