devilhand -> Golpe during i downstroke (May 9 2026 14:34:49)
Which finger do you use for golpe during i downstroke? m, ma or a? If your answer is m or ma, it's time to change because it's not authentic. All top level guys particularly from Jerez use only the ring finger. I myself used the wrong finger all the time. Now I have to unlearn it.
Ricardo -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 9 2026 15:14:13)
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ORIGINAL: devilhand
Which finger do you use for golpe during i downstroke? m, ma or a? If your answer is m or ma, it's time to change because it's not authentic. All top level guys particularly from Jerez use only the ring finger. I myself used the wrong finger all the time. Now I have to unlearn it.
total bs. Watch from 1:20, ma together. Personally my pinky has always been involved as well.
devilhand -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 9 2026 16:15:57)
Maybe it's a Jerez thing. Paco is Paco. He can do whatever he wants. But he is not from Jerez.
rombsix -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 9 2026 18:56:00)
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Personally my pinky has always been involved as well.
[:D]
It just finds its way in there, huh? [8D]
I've tried doing it with the pinky involved too. It's a satisfying feeling! [:)]
silddx -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 9 2026 22:23:21)
Ive started using the shower head.
rombsix -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 10 2026 1:06:08)
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Ive started using the shower head.
Aguaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! [:D][8D]
Ricardo -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 10 2026 13:59:29)
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ORIGINAL: devilhand
Maybe it's a Jerez thing. Paco is Paco. He can do whatever he wants. But he is not from Jerez.
Whatever. Watch just the intro, every golpe opposite thumb is ma, and then on the last compás before the singing he flicks index on count 3&4 but count 6 opposite index is reinforced with ma golpe just like Paco does. Any "Jerez thing" cannot exist outside of this guy here. To be clear, I am not saying you must always do it with ma, on the contrary you see him at 5:35 doing a series of glopes with ring only...but to say it is "not authentic" is not true. Perhaps if students are only using m finger that might be problematic, unless they are getting a good sound. Otherwise it is non-issue.
devilhand -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 10 2026 15:31:10)
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Watch just the intro, every golpe opposite thumb is ma
The intro is a bunch of pulgar-index+golpe which is usually done with m or ma.
Downstroke i + golpe is different. If your hand is relaxed enough, it's mostly ma and sometimes a. But these guys from Jerez do it for some reason with a only. Manuel Morao in your example above.
Moraito 2:25-3:10
Manuel Valencia 1:48
Cepero
Ricardo -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 11 2026 11:47:00)
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But these guys from Jerez do it for some reason with a only.
It has nothing to do with that. People from all around spain do that because the spread of the fingers feels wider (you can sweep across chords with more voices than just the treble strings). Similar issue with two finger rasgueados, the spread of i and a feels better than i-m. Some people like Paco with bigger hands feel good about planting down a with m with no problem as i sweeps across. It is a non-issue is the point. If you start going "look at me I figured out the secret of Jerez" with that standard golpe, you will sound like the worst guiri payo ever.
Stu -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 11 2026 12:46:11)
Hmm how can I waste 10 minutes of my day and generate a feeling of stress?
I know I'll watch several different videos of guitarists finger leaping back and forth at high speeds and try and work out which fingers they are using the make the golpe!.. jeez they are fast maybe I'll use the YT slow down feature to see.... Jesus what am I doing I, dont even care about this topic!??! [:'(] Actually no I think I will have cup of tea and listen to some calming music or maybe go actually play some guitar!?
Sorry I know we are nerds in here with nails and picado and etc etc so you carry on, but this thread is another stinker devilhand.
davewphx -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 12 2026 2:25:10)
I have nothing to add about golpe, but that Terremoto de Jerez Solea is great. The video quality, and audio quality is excellent, and I see no microphones anywhere? This must have been from the '70s cuz I read he died in '81. You can hear the warbling of the 16 mm or whatever film in places, but doesn't sound like the high-end was stripped out with noise removal... was this filmed for Spanish tv?
Andy Culpepper -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 12 2026 4:17:05)
It's from "Rito y Geografia del Cante Flamenco" - incredible series filmed for RTVE in the early '70s.
devilhand -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 12 2026 5:33:18)
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If you start going "look at me I figured out the secret of Jerez" with that standard golpe, you will sound like the worst guiri payo ever.
Tell this to the Morao clan and see what they say.
devilhand -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 12 2026 5:37:35)
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I know I'll watch several different videos of guitarists finger leaping back and forth at high speeds and try and work out which fingers they are using the make the golpe!.. jeez they are fast maybe I'll use the YT slow down feature to see.... Jesus what am I doing I, dont even care about this topic!??!
You don't need to. Just watch Moraito video I posted above. Yes. We are nerds in here. We've been discussing about every little detail of everything on the foro. Just another standard thread here. You have a problem?
Ricardo -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 12 2026 11:38:50)
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ORIGINAL: devilhand
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If you start going "look at me I figured out the secret of Jerez" with that standard golpe, you will sound like the worst guiri payo ever.
Tell this to the Morao clan and see what they say.
Tell them what?
"there is this annoying guy on the internet that does not even own a flamenco guitar, yet he claims Paco de Lucia is not authentic nor anyone else that does not do golpe with ring finger alone opposite index, since he observed several players from Jerez doing this and concluded it must originate there"?
Tonteria, they will look at me like I am an idiot for even knowing such person exists and engaging with them.
rombsix -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 12 2026 13:56:38)
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The video quality, and audio quality is excellent, and I see no microphones anywhere
Probably used really high-end shotgun microphones either on the cameras directly or overhead boomed right outside of the frame.
hxwhf72752003 -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 12 2026 16:10:03)
We call these guys Cloud Player in China. They don't play by themselves, but watch others play and think they know everything [:D]
davewphx -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 12 2026 17:47:04)
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ORIGINAL: rombsix
Probably used really high-end shotgun microphones either on the cameras directly or overhead boomed right outside of the frame.
👍
devilhand -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 13 2026 10:17:10)
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he claims Paco de Lucia is not authentic..
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from Jerez doing this and concluded it must originate there"?
LoL. I didn't say that. It's all in black and white here in this thread. You're distorting the facts. Anyway. I can confirm you play Jerez toque in DC and it's still authentic even though you do golpe with pinky.
Stu -> RE: Golpe during i downstroke (May 13 2026 10:34:01)
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Yes. We are nerds in here. We've been discussing about every little detail of everything on the foro
Yes this is true and fair. I am no authority to stop you.
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You have a problem?
No I think you have one. I enjoy some of your nonsense and I think it obviously generates some banter, engagement and foro traffic.
But your steadfast commitment to remain ignorant whilst being a know-it-all is tiring and a little bit silly.
