Montoya’s baritone Flamenca?

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D.A. -> Montoya’s baritone Flamenca? (Mar. 30 2026 16:51:29)
I think he’s playing a baritone Flamenca in this video. The strings are tuned down to B standard here. There is no way you can tune down that low on a standard scale instrument and the strings would stay in tune. He brings it up to D standard when he places a capo on the third fret. Thoughts? Is it a custom made Ramirez baritone guitar? https://youtu.be/NEq5ZINEN9I

rombsix -> RE: Montoya’s baritone Flamenca? (Mar. 30 2026 18:33:55)
I think it's a combination of the capo and high tension strings that feel floppy because of being tuned down. It's not a baritone guitar.

Echi -> RE: Montoya’s baritone Flamenca? (Mar. 30 2026 20:21:20)
It's an Arcangel Fernandez, probably tuned lower than 440 today's standard

Richard Jernigan -> RE: Montoya’s baritone Flamenca? (Mar. 30 2026 20:55:54)
According to this https://www.londonguitarstudio.com/s/arcangel-fernandez-luthier Arcangel Fernandez was born in 1932, so he would have been only 17 or18 when Montoya died in 1949. The reference also reports that Fernandez apprenticed to Marcelo Barbero in 1954, but I believe he didn't put his name on labels until after Barbero died in 1959. RNJ

ernandez R -> RE: Montoya’s baritone Flamenca? (Mar. 30 2026 21:03:51)
I don’t know guys… looks like strings 2-6 are metal wound? Was a good listen this morning though as I watch the snow falling. HR

constructordeguitarras -> RE: Montoya’s baritone Flamenca? (Mar. 30 2026 21:19:27)
I agree with Ramzi. Gosh, that playing almost makes me appreciate Manitas de Plata more.

Richard Jernigan -> RE: Montoya’s baritone Flamenca? (Mar. 31 2026 0:57:52)
Oh...Carlos Montoya? Sorry. I was thinking about flamenco. Carlos is said to have played flamenco at one time, but the solo stuff...? RNJ

Richard Jernigan -> RE: Montoya’s baritone Flamenca? (Mar. 31 2026 1:06:13)
quote: ORIGINAL: ernandez R I don’t know guys… looks like strings 2-6 are metal wound? HR Savarez used to make--maybe still does--2nd and 3rd strings with a solid nylon core, wound with nylon. I vaguely recollect they may have made a metal wound third with a multi-filament nylon core like ordinary 4th through 6th. I used the nylon wound 3rd on my first guitar, a $24 job from Paracho. It had a 690mm scale (not a typo). I tuned it down a step and capoed at the 2nd fret. It was loud, but not particularly flamenco sounding. RNJ

kitarist -> RE: Montoya’s baritone Flamenca? (Mar. 31 2026 4:24:47)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan Oh...Carlos Montoya? Sorry. I was thinking about flamenco. Carlos is said to have played flamenco at one time, but the solo stuff...? RNJ [:D][:D]

orsonw -> RE: Montoya’s baritone Flamenca? (Mar. 31 2026 9:37:00)
Not sure about B standard tuning (or Carlos Montoya), but tuning low E down to B is no problem on a standard scale guitar. You can see Cano Roto, Nunez, Roman Vicenti etc.. and many others using a low B. E.g. playing bulerias, seguiriyas etc.. por granaina with a low B.

Ricardo -> RE: Montoya’s baritone Flamenca? (Mar. 31 2026 14:03:11)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan Oh...Carlos Montoya? Sorry. I was thinking about flamenco. Carlos is said to have played flamenco at one time, but the solo stuff...? RNJ [:D] This whole scenario is a joke we have discussed in the past. Rubber band strings so the left hand can go widdly widdly widdly and impress non guitar players and novices to the genre. It is quite embarrassing.

D.A. -> RE: Montoya’s baritone Flamenca? (Mar. 31 2026 16:42:00)
Haha we know. But the guy did sell millions of records.

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