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beno -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Mar. 23 2026 22:07:15)

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anyone fancy meetin in seville/ jerez on fri eve/saturday? before heading to sanlucar? If henry is going we are gonna meet up before hand! but the more the merrier

Hey Stu! Let's do this! I'm going to be in Sevilla!
Are you flying to Sevilla or Jerez? I also booked the course, the flight, Los Helechos, but not yet the nights before and after, so I'm kind of flexible.




Stu -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Mar. 24 2026 10:10:39)

I am the same. havent booked accom either side yet. im flying to seville, arrive abourt 8ish. will get hotel there on that eve. then probably hang out there for sat morning then head to jerez for a sat/sat night maybe and sanlucar on the sun for the welcome do.

I just spoke privately to henry and hes dong similar!




RobF -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Mar. 24 2026 13:37:16)

Take pictures, guys! For those of us who're vicariously enjoying your fellowship 👍🌞🍻




Stu -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Mar. 24 2026 15:02:58)

[:D] yes! there wil be plenty.... could be time for another batch of foro flamenco tshirts for the photos...if only Pimientito were still here!




ddias -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Apr. 5 2026 8:59:16)

Annoyingly i broke my shoulder skiing the other week and now can’t play guitar…. Hoping it recovers in time for July otherwise I’ll just be watching and observing, eating tapas and sipping manzanilla!




rombsix -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Apr. 5 2026 16:41:58)

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Annoyingly i broke my shoulder skiing the other week and now can’t play guitar


[:(] Whoa, man! Hope it heals fully!




beno -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Apr. 6 2026 10:55:44)

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i broke my shoulder skiing the other week and now can’t play guitar….

Ouch! - I wish you a fast and full recovery!




Stu -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Apr. 7 2026 11:43:03)

Annoyingly i broke my shoulder skiing the other week and now can’t play guitar…. Hoping it recovers in time for July otherwise I’ll just be watching and observing, eating tapas and sipping manzanilla!

Aw no man! Sorry to hear this
Yes hopefully youll be back to some kind of playing ability.

otherwise could try the cante course!? hehe




El Burdo -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Apr. 7 2026 13:04:01)

It is great to be able to vicariously join in with all these arrangements and others have noted it too. I'm sure you'll have a great time.

But...

I just looked at the course material in that link. I am shocked at the cost of all these units. Are they courses? It looks like €330 will buy you two hours of tuition and a gig. I thought a course was a regular daily class extended over a period, say a week, or even four days - not a one off. I have to pause when I think of that number as it seems exploitative. If there are 30 students all paying €330 that's €10,000 for 2 hours. That's Dentist level...

Or is it that things have become so expensive that that is the ordinary fee for what is effectively a limited summer school?

I attended several jazz summer schools over the years and fees were nothing like this - they were not presentations by gods no, but the staff were all at the top of any tree. There was a collegiate and shared endeavour to it. Does that exist in a two hour presentation? It looks more like an 'audience with'.

I may well be missing the point here. I do live financially in the 2000s, and everything seems expensive now, A pint of beer in Soho was £7.20 on Monday - huh? (Chad Wackerman at Ronnies - £65 for two hours). Maybe you all earn enough that €330 for two hours is acceptable. I can think of many people, i.e. most musicians I know for whom this cost is a dream. Are you being milked or is it reasonable? Or is it reasonable to be milked? Is this a market finding its acceptable level, like good capitalism always has? That is, what the market will pay?

I suspect that all similar courses in Spain will be charging pretty much the same.

Please don't attack me for my (fill in missing insult here) but I am genuinely shocked at the fee and duration. I seem certainly to be naive and would like to know if this is normal/acceptable/nae problem/seen you coming stuff.

It's not confined to flamenco of course, and I was shocked at the fee my lineage holding tai chi master wanted for a 4 hour course in London. He did have to come from Hong Kong but it was less than half what the Sanlucar course management wants.

For what it's worth, I think the arrangements for meeting up and sharing time in Spain are the point of the journey; Kitarist put his finger on it - your descriptions and accommodation issues are very enjoyable at one remove, particularly if the reader is familiar with the places. The tuition, I suppose you'll see.




Ricardo -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Apr. 7 2026 17:00:44)

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It looks like €330 will buy you two hours of tuition and a gig. I thought a course was a regular daily class extended over a period, say a week, or even four days - not a one off.


Sunday night meet and greet, two hour classes every day Monday through Friday, free concerts and juerga everynight, and last night FREE paella and WINE of his own make in his back yard...that is for the E330 total. Honestly everybody gets exhausted and skips one day of class with no complaints (hangovers). Some classes conflict but as I said, the other classes are cheaper and there is no obligation to take Gerardo's class. I audit the other class so for me it is 4 hours a day of classes (he has never asked me to pay extra for doing that). Pimientito (mark) always did that with me. Out of respect I don't use my guitar in both classes only the advanced class but learn just as much by auditing the more traditional material intermediate class. We recall vividly one year he stopped doing Saturday classes and denied that it was ever the case he did classes on Saturday (his way of increasing the prices for each lesson by doing nothing but omitting one). That always worked for me travel wise anyway as I would skip the diploma presentation on Saturday mornings and head out of town. For over two decades it felt like I was robbing the guy honestly.

By the way, don't delete your comment because it is important that if you were confused they need to make it more clear what the deal is. "13-17" means those days are the classes, the hours of the classes each day apply to those dates "curso" means "course" not a single master class workshop, and "2 concerts" means Alejandro Hurtado and one other show are free, plus an evening of student guitar solos, fiesta of buleria for all students to participate, and the paella night. Each of those and the first meet and greet Sunday have a juerga with the gitanos de Jerez to close the night. They should probably clarify it that way. Typically we move the whole gang to my friend Raquel's bar for late night jamming etc. and sometimes she has free shows going on with local artists. It is too much almost.




El Burdo -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Apr. 7 2026 23:21:08)

Aha. For some reason when I read it originally, that 13-17 July bit wasn't there! It must have been added shortly after to make sense of the times of the units. Either that or I didn't f* read it. (Erm, it could be a little clearer to indicate that the units/courses are on each of the 5 days but it's probably only me who was confused.)

That is a far better deal. I well know the experience of over celebrating and the consequential under attending, but I think that's par for the curso.

Anyway, thanks. You have answered my point. It sounds fantastic - paella AND Jerez locals as well as the groups. Even value for money! Look forward to hearing about it.




Stu -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Apr. 8 2026 14:55:39)

yes i think ricardo covered it all.

I've always thought the opposite. Its incredible value. and that the stuff that goes on beyond the classroom walls is the most valuable. And the price doesnt seem to have sky rocketed due to the forces you mention that seem to have made all thos eothe r things more expensive.


Anyway, Im anxiously waiting for a reply from the hotel. Ive tried to downgrade to a single room as my family arent coming, but cant seem to get a response! perhaps ill be looking for classmates to fill it with me after all.

El Burdo, sorry if youve told me before....are you in England?




Ricardo -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Apr. 8 2026 16:47:53)

The first time I went it was about E280 so it has only gone up E50 in two decades. There was the change from pesetas to E that mattered, and of course as I said the Saturday classes were omitted eventually.




El Burdo -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (Apr. 8 2026 19:42:59)

I am yes, also in the South of it.




Stu -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 5 2026 12:42:59)

Anyone feeling slighty concerned about flights being cancelled due to jet fuel shortages?

maybe we should car pool if things go bad!!??[:D]




beno -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 6 2026 10:58:42)

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Anyone feeling slighty concerned about flights being cancelled due to jet fuel shortages?

Nope.
That car pool would be a fun, however we're from totally different directions..




Stu -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 6 2026 14:32:23)

[:D] I'll set off 2 weeks earlier and come pick you up!!




beno -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 6 2026 22:15:21)

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I'll set off 2 weeks earlier and come pick you up!!

I'm in! [:D]




ddias -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 17 2026 12:32:38)

Anyone else receive a WhatsApp request for payment from los helechos? Is it legit?

Shoulder fracture update: I’m out of my sling, but mobility severely impacted so I reckon it’ll be a few weeks before i can play guitar again. Hoping I’m not too rusty by the the time the course comes by! My eldest daughter is coming with me too, so looking to enjoy a week long holiday in any event.




Ricardo -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 17 2026 16:53:35)

that does not sound right unless it is a new thing. Call them, they have someone at the desk 24 hours.




Stu -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 18 2026 6:24:15)

Ah good news about the arm!
Still working out if my family are coming.

The esta app thing seems fishy. I haven't had anything like that. And you usually always pay when you are there.

Infact when booking this year. I asked if they wanted any deposit etc and they clearly said no. Nothing to pay until you are here.




Stu -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 18 2026 11:25:31)

Since we are discussing injuries that prevent us playing/enjoying the guitar.

I have been struggling with an ear issue for past 18 months and i seem to have finally succumbed to hearing loss in my left ear. been treated for it but no repsonse as yet.

My right ear is fine but its defo affecting my hearing in crowded places, concerts etc. Ill still be able to enjoy Sanlucar but I know it will be a less rich experience than if i had 2 good ears! [:'(]

Playing is somewhat less fulfilling. I cant quite explain it...its just missing the depth of sound that youd get with 2 good ears.[:(] no stereo!

Perhaps we can have a little corner of the room during each fiesta, show etc where all the broken folk can hang out and drown their sorrows! ill see ya there ddias![:D]




rombsix -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 18 2026 17:42:43)

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I have been struggling with an ear issue for past 18 months and i seem to have finally succumbed to hearing loss in my left ear. been treated for it but no repsonse as yet.


[:(]




henrym3483 -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 20 2026 20:00:08)

sorted, flights booked and hotel. myself and my young fella joseph will see ye all in july.




Stu -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 21 2026 7:30:11)

Ole Harry! will be good reunion!
Last time I saw you, we got booted out of a bar in London for you playing solea on my blanca!!! hahah. No such terrors will unfold in Sanlucar!! we'll get booted out for NOT playing! [:D]

(we didnt strictly get kicked out but we got a stroppy telling off from the waiter! which basically prompted us to F off right!?)

So Helechos is booked up. I have a double room but need place for my family so I will probably give up that room at helechos for an apartment or air bnb. bit annoyed really! bloody fam![:D]




Ricardo -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 21 2026 11:44:42)

How big is your family??? jeez.

Also, I read comments in my head in "American English" and that last one changed everything I am reading for me.[:D][:D]




Stu -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 21 2026 12:12:59)

haha!

I wrote double room but i think i mean... a room for me, that has a double bed! I have a wife and 2 kids! its not impossible we could cram in with a camp bed! ahah. We've done worse!

but whether helechos would allow that?? im not sure....i may call them anyway.

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that last one changed everything I am reading for me.
[:D] i need further explantion? which bit?




Ricardo -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 22 2026 13:47:52)

They rolled in and set up a military style cot for the kid and there is also a couch in some rooms. I have had a couple people crash in those rooms before. One time I woke up and cepillo was sleeping on the damn floor snoring! [:D][:D]

"bar in London...'stroppy'...F right off"....that stuff sounds quite British in my head now, and I know Henry's Irish of course.




Stu -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 24 2026 10:27:41)

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One time I woke up and cepillo was sleeping on the damn floor snoring!


[:D][:D]

You know this was a good night!!!

Ah I see regarding the British lingo! [:D]... yes I think these are very British phrases

I've booked an air bnb now down the road from comtratiempo.... no pool though.... still got my room at helechos. Was thing to keep do i can access the pool with the kids. But pimiemtito has been onto me to transfer it to him!! [:D]




henrym3483 -> RE: Sanlucar curso 2026 (May 28 2026 21:41:01)

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Ole Harry! will be good reunion!
Last time I saw you, we got booted out of a bar in London for you playing solea on my blanca!!! hahah. No such terrors will unfold in Sanlucar!! we'll get booted out for NOT playing!

(we didnt strictly get kicked out but we got a stroppy telling off from the waiter! which basically prompted us to F off right!?)

So Helechos is booked up. I have a double room but need place for my family so I will probably give up that room at helechos for an apartment or air bnb. bit annoyed really! bloody fam!


hahahha were killing the Boho vibe of the place[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

man i dunno in the 1960s london people would have gathered round to listen, now its messing with their auto tune vibe songs[:D]




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