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Ricardo -> RE: 3 Different ways to adjust neck angle? (Dec. 3 2025 12:06:47)
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As discussed in the past, several luthiers on here admitted that it can be hit or miss with the Solera, and you have to make tons of guitars to get it exact and you might use method 1 and 3 both to get it exact. Meaning your goal was 8mm but then you assemble things shift around a bit, or the strings pull it not as extremely as you had hoped etc, and the result is a ballpark of 7-9mm as the guy said (I recommend and measure from string 6 not 1 so perhaps I am after a lower action than the one he claimed was 8mm that looked tall to me from the bass side). Cigarette should not be able to roll freely under there. A Pencil or pen works too.
I experienced this argument with a local luthier who had built many classicals and was starting his first ever flamenco, and we discussed this issue and I challenged him about his. He said the guys here on foro were wrong and that he could hit precisely the number he wanted (he claimed his would be 8mm with no buzzing). A year later he finally finished and soon as I picked it up and looked at it I was like, "well what happened dude?", the bridge was way above 8, maybe 10mm I would guess, but the strings were buzzing everywhere. He even examined closely my goldilocks negra 7mm zero buzzing, easy clean playing, and bragged he could do that easy in the Solera. So HIs guitar I would have to raise that bone another 1-2 mm to stop that type of buzzing. He looked at me and shrugged his shoulders (his best at admitting the Foro guys were correct, estebanana etc., you can aim for it but only with experience are you gonna achieve the goldilocks perfect Conde thing). You can go back and read Estebanana comments and several others on here in the archives.
The other issue is neck RELIEF, which affects the buzzing mainly. There was an argument long ago about deliberate relief design for equal buzzing on EVERY fret made by Brune I believe regarding either a Barbero or Reyes or both maybe, that was challenged, but in the end the point is you need to counter the bowing of the neck with some backbowing counter balance. This can be done via method 3 shaving the ebony board and refretting etc, if it is off and the guitar is either too buzzy or not buzzing enough despite the low bridge. This issue is obviously part of the umbrella of "the action" as well, but I defer to the luthiers about it.
Last, I will say my friend builds and hits the goldilocks zone set up for flamenco using the DOVE TAIL method, not the Solera, so you build the box and closed and it has a slot for the neck joint to slide and lock into place. He is very consistent so it seems like a good alternative to Spanish Solera, also I remember Brune using this, and perhaps Mariano Conde uses it hence I observed him sanding a closed box?? (doubtful, but if people know of dovetail condes I am all ears).
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