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rafapak -> Jeronimo Carmen's technique learning system (Sep. 27 2024 23:22:44)

Hi guys
I would like to ask you for help. I recently bought Jeronimo Carmen's course. He has special program for practicing technique but I have troubles to understand how the system works. I don't know why day equals to week in his system (dia 1 semana 1). Can anybody who knows spanish explain to me how I should practice technique according to Jeronimo's program ? Please help me to understand how his program works. I enclose his video where he talks about how his system works. I also enclose list of exercises he included in his system.





Ricardo -> RE: Jeronimo Carmen's technique learning system (Sep. 28 2024 10:57:38)

I think he is saying you get some exercise (he shows only a boring chromatic thing, but I don’t know what else he is teaching, hopefully not that [:D]) on day 1, and you practice only this exercise slow and perfect, every day for about 45 minutes, for 6 days, and you can take a day off. [:D] Sorry to laugh it is just kind of funny to me as I would not give anybody a day off if I could literally enforce daily practice as it is.

Anyway after you have done this each week for 6 weeks (meaning, I hope, you have added together 6 exercises, practiced 45 min a day for 6 days a week), you will have accomplished “a month and a half” of this training. After this you can start learning new material daily (?)

Anyway, everybody is different. Some people learn what they need to do in some minutes and then practice 8 hours a day. Others never learn anything and whatever they do they do wrong for hours a day. Some others pick stuff up easy and don’t practice hardly at all. Most of us need time to review old material which, as it builds up over time, that “review” might take some hours to cover everything. In reality, practice can be sporadic . I feel this guy is trying to set beginners with zero experience some sort of regular schedule that makes them feel like they are advancing.

I will say that the standard thing for me is that for beginners they need short lessons, very often, in the beginning. Like after a week I need to see you again to see what you are doing so we can correct it. As one advances, I can eventually give longer lessons, but much less frequently. Like my intermediate students I see them ONCE a year. And the advanced guys? Once every half decade. [:D]




silddx -> RE: Jeronimo Carmen's technique learning system (Sep. 28 2024 17:34:00)

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I will say that the standard thing for me is that for beginners they need short lessons, very often, in the beginning. Like after a week I need to see you again to see what you are doing so we can correct it.


That's what I did with Ramon for 4 months, 1 hour per week, then started lengthening the periods between. I had 24 lessons which was exactly what I needed to get started. I will go back for more lessons when I feel ready, that may be while, but your new book is great, and enjoying working through it, although I have only just started working on the second piece of your section.




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Stu -> RE: Jeronimo Carmen's technique learning system (Sep. 29 2024 15:16:28)

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I will say that the standard thing for me is that for beginners they need short lessons, very often, in the beginning. Like after a week I need to see you again to see what you are doing so we can correct it. As one advances, I can eventually give longer lessons, but much less frequently. Like my intermediate students I see them ONCE a year. And the advanced guys? Once every half decade.


My first ever face to face flamenco guitar lesson started with the teacher saying...(something like)
"I'll teach you so that you can teach yourself and you won't need me". At the time I found that odd because he seemed to be talking himself out of work... but I'm sure he was just honest and knew how the process should work




devilhand -> RE: Jeronimo Carmen's technique learning system (Sep. 29 2024 15:39:14)

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I will say that the standard thing for me is that for beginners they need short lessons, very often, in the beginning. Like after a week I need to see you again to see what you are doing so we can correct it. As one advances, I can eventually give longer lessons, but much less frequently. Like my intermediate students I see them ONCE a year. And the advanced guys? Once every half decade.

Curious to know the profile of your students. Why they (beginner, intermediate and advanced) learn flamenco guitar. What they want to achieve by learning flamenco guitar.




Erik van Goch -> RE: Jeronimo Carmen's technique learning system (Sep. 29 2024 20:22:34)

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ORIGINAL: Stu
"I'll teach you so that you can teach yourself and you won't need me".

Exactly the motto of both me and my father :-).




Ricardo -> RE: Jeronimo Carmen's technique learning system (Sep. 30 2024 11:09:55)

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ORIGINAL: devilhand

quote:

I will say that the standard thing for me is that for beginners they need short lessons, very often, in the beginning. Like after a week I need to see you again to see what you are doing so we can correct it. As one advances, I can eventually give longer lessons, but much less frequently. Like my intermediate students I see them ONCE a year. And the advanced guys? Once every half decade.

Curious to know the profile of your students. Why they (beginner, intermediate and advanced) learn flamenco guitar. What they want to achieve by learning flamenco guitar.


Everybody is super different.

Two extreme cases. I once had the 80 + year old guy that just enjoyed getting some tabs in his personal notebook. I did not force him to play with a metronome, in fact he complained about his previous teacher acting like a “drill instructor” military style, and not what he was after. He wanted to relax and an enjoy the last years here with his guitar. He took weekly lessons, perhaps every two weeks or so I can’t remember now, but he loved it, but said his wife complained about him practicing (she was Spanish [:D]). Well, after he visited a Féria where I was performing with many dance groups, someone saw him carrying his guitar and invited him to their dance class (I never learned who) after he said he was MY student for the last year. He was happy to do so, without talking to me first. But he came back to his next lesson and complained that the dancers and their “guitarist” (whoever he was, and I never figured it out who), told him he sucked and was out of compas and put his guitar away.

Understand this old man could barely move between two chords fast enough to keep a tight rhythm, he mostly liked to stumble through his tablature of pulgar melodies and such….freestyle. Well in our last lesson he demanded I teach him compas, so I showed him how to move the chords with a slow click metronome….and of course the slowest setting was too fast for him to get from one chord to the next and his face turned to horrible sadness….he realized that playing guitar was infact like the drill instructor whoever once tried to force on him, and that he had been deluding himself by letting me teach him in a relaxed way. He quit playing, and it broke my heart. Honestly I wish I knew who those people were, who had no respect for their elders to put the guy down the way they did. I know that whoever they were in my town here, they were novice artists.

2nd example sad for a different reason. This guy in Ethiopia was quite advanced enough, an excellent level intermediate student. We did Skype of course, and it was always a bad connection and he would have to do things like go to a fancy hotel to get decent wi-fi. Even though this guy had a good job and money, he struggle to purchase ANYTHING on line due to laws in his country. He had to pay his friend in Saudi Arabia to buy a nice guitar for him with his money being wired. Previous he was stuck with low end Yamaha and such. Same deal to pay me for lessons, he had to wire the money from his friend…it was so embarrassing for him. I felt like just giving him a lot of free time. Finally he decided to attend Gerardo Nuñez Curso. Gerardo even wrote him a recommendation request to take the class for the embassy…but in the end the Embassy would not allow this guy a visa to go. I just told the guy he really needed to get out of there permanently.

So I have everything in between these cases and as I said, lower levels need frequent catch up, but more advanced visit me rarely as the other statement shows….they hopefully learn to teach themselves, ie., self correct any issues.




rafapak -> RE: Jeronimo Carmen's technique learning system (Oct. 2 2024 12:32:17)

thanks guys for replies. this helped a lot




rombsix -> RE: Jeronimo Carmen's technique learning system (Oct. 2 2024 15:24:40)

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Two extreme cases. I once had the 80 + year old guy that just enjoyed getting some tabs in his personal notebook. I did not force him to play with a metronome, in fact he complained about his previous teacher acting like a “drill instructor” military style, and not what he was after. He wanted to relax and an enjoy the last years here with his guitar. He took weekly lessons, perhaps every two weeks or so I can’t remember now, but he loved it, but said his wife complained about him practicing (she was Spanish ). Well, after he visited a Féria where I was performing with many dance groups, someone saw him carrying his guitar and invited him to their dance class (I never learned who) after he said he was MY student for the last year. He was happy to do so, without talking to me first. But he came back to his next lesson and complained that the dancers and their “guitarist” (whoever he was, and I never figured it out who), told him he sucked and was out of compas and put his guitar away.

Understand this old man could barely move between two chords fast enough to keep a tight rhythm, he mostly liked to stumble through his tablature of pulgar melodies and such….freestyle. Well in our last lesson he demanded I teach him compas, so I showed him how to move the chords with a slow click metronome….and of course the slowest setting was too fast for him to get from one chord to the next and his face turned to horrible sadness….he realized that playing guitar was infact like the drill instructor whoever once tried to force on him, and that he had been deluding himself by letting me teach him in a relaxed way. He quit playing, and it broke my heart. Honestly I wish I knew who those people were, who had no respect for their elders to put the guy down the way they did. I know that whoever they were in my town here, they were novice artists.

2nd example sad for a different reason. This guy in Ethiopia was quite advanced enough, an excellent level intermediate student. We did Skype of course, and it was always a bad connection and he would have to do things like go to a fancy hotel to get decent wi-fi. Even though this guy had a good job and money, he struggle to purchase ANYTHING on line due to laws in his country. He had to pay his friend in Saudi Arabia to buy a nice guitar for him with his money being wired. Previous he was stuck with low end Yamaha and such. Same deal to pay me for lessons, he had to wire the money from his friend…it was so embarrassing for him. I felt like just giving him a lot of free time. Finally he decided to attend Gerardo Nuñez Curso. Gerardo even wrote him a recommendation request to take the class for the embassy…but in the end the Embassy would not allow this guy a visa to go. I just told the guy he really needed to get out of there permanently.


Thanks for sharing, man.




metalhead -> RE: Jeronimo Carmen's technique learning system (Oct. 19 2024 8:51:56)

The first story happens very frequently. I think this is why we should be kinder to one another as musicians unless of course somebody is only going on a high horse about their skills without doing anything ....




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