No Vicente amigo please, no i like him, but since his music has a lot of fast picado, I won't be able to learn
xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 8:19:24)
Moraito all the way, especially his live performances.
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 10:04:08)
i think most of the best or that we like more , are harder... , tomatito buleria are top level
maybe Diego Del Gastor will be easier
metalhead -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 10:27:34)
Diego del gastor? Groovy? Bulerias? Are you serious?
metalhead -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 10:28:53)
Moraito doesn't have groove.
Ricardo -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 11:33:34)
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ORIGINAL: metalhead
Moraito doesn't have groove.
Nothing you are posting makes any sense today, is it meth day?[8D]
You post Valencia, a follower or “clone” of Moraito. Then Vicente, as either or groovy? Then. Say “no Vicente please”….cuz of PICADO???[:D]
Then you don’t like Moron style, basically all they have is groove going on over there, then knock Moraito. What in the hell do you think groove is??
Answer me this. Who is more groovy:
A. Anthrax B. Pantera
?
metalhead -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 11:35:29)
Why? What did I say so wrong ? Moraito is a good player but his bulerias doesn't swing. It's the same old compas after falsetas, doesn't mean he plays bad.
Ricardo -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 11:38:03)
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Why? What did I say so wrong ? Moraito is a good player but his bulerias doesn't swing. It's the same old compas after falsetas, doesn't mean he plays bad.
Basically, you don’t know what swing is then.
Perhaps what you think groove means has to do not with rhythm but is simply “interesting in a non standard way to me”.
metalhead -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 11:41:33)
I see, maybe that's what I meant. No other word came to my mind
xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 12:32:20)
It doesn't get better than Moraíto when it comes to feeling flamenco. He's also not that difficult to play, anyone else I could say are definitely more tricky. You can look around in traditional flamenco what you like, by modern standards most of those guys composed easier material (often at insane speeds, so maybe not that easy - see Yerai Cortés for someone who uses traditional material in a modern context).
Goldwinghai -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 13:28:52)
I like Cepero’s Bulerias. Been working on this for a while.
hxwhf72752003 -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 13:39:39)
I agree. I think Moraito's Bulerias are easy for newbies and sounds good. When I improve my skill and feeling of compas, I like Diego del Morao's Bulerias
Ricardo -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 14:07:45)
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He's also not that difficult to play, anyone else I could say are definitely more tricky.
I have heard this exact sentiment my whole career and have to disagree with everybody. Very few can play like he is playing, and I mean from a technical view point, the physical technique. He plays some familiar Paco type things slower, but it is by design to add a swing that is actually harder to do physically. By contrast I hear “Nuñez is too hard, virtuoso stufff….I prefer the aire and ease of Moraito” etc. Having studied both it is exactly the opposite. Perhaps the arpegio of Nuñez was more refined, but interms of basic technical aspects, Moraito stuff is just as hard for me to get right….or harder in some cases.
Basically it comes down to rhythm. Once you get the rhythm things are fun and easy to play. People hear a fancy left hand move, flourish or whatever and assume that is harder than doing a rasgueado. It is not. I hear people play the left hand correct of Moraito but what the heck are they doing with right hand that it sounds totally wrong? It is not easy to get that rhythm and dynamics. It is getting there that is the challenge. Paco de Lucia has many easier things than Moraito. Perhaps MENTALLY, the musical concept and direction of Moraito falsetas are crystal clear compared to some others, however physically? Good luck.
Here, I would love to hear ONE other guitarist (who says Moraito stuff is easy compared to any other) playing this falsetas at 3:39 with the triplet picado etc., just has he is doing here with perfect timing and accuracy. Let’s see it?
metalhead -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 14:53:15)
Can you please change the falseta, Ricardo? I'm in it, but:
1.) The falseta is way way way over played by him as well as lots of other people
2.) Triplet picado, it's just on a few notes so it shouldn't be too difficult but still my picado isn't fantastic so I can't bet on it
Do you have a different falseta by him or just about anybody you consider rhythmically difficult?
Ricardo -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 15:20:32)
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1.) The falseta is way way way over played by him as well as lots of other people
There is no such thing IMO. And show me one person other than him that is nailing it.
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2.) Triplet picado, it's just on a few notes so it shouldn't be too difficult
As they all say.
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Do you have a different falseta by him
Please, choose and demonstrate since they are so easy. It is what I keep hearing about, but at the end of the day only certain Maestros I have seen execute his material correctly.
metalhead -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 15:28:39)
Will this work? Do you want me to play it? starting at 4:07
silddx -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 17:02:58)
[quote Manitas de Lata]maybe Diego Del Gastor will be easier [/quote]
You think it's easy to get his vibe, innate timing and power?
[quote metalhead]Diego del gastor? Groovy? Bulerias? Are you serious? [/quote]
Are YOU serious? This bloke has funk pouring out of every pore and orifice. Pure filth. He's the funkiest flamenco I've heard, deep, glorious, and wonderful to behold. You should hear his siguiriyas.
Also, I love this Moron bulerias style. I have been learning some of this lately, a lot of it taken from this very video. It is so damn funky.
Mark2 -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 20:10:32)
His son plays it pretty well :-) As you know Tino is a big Moraito fan, and he agrees that his stuff is as difficult as anyone's to get right. I remember when we did a challenge with this falseta and I didn't upload anything because of that stupid little picado that I couldn't get sounding good at tempo.
As far as this live performance, it's one of my favorite solo guitar ones. Just full of groove and swing. He could have kept going for an hour. The guy played for top artists his whole life.
I have to admit when I first got a solo record, I wasn't that impressed but that opinion changed quickly the more I listened to him.
His influence is so great that there is a whole school of guys following in his footsteps.
The same can be said of Diego del Gastor but I have to admit that in spite of being from the Bay Area, which is full of Moronies, that style isn't my favorite. If Diego had been the guy that I was told represented flamenco guitar playing, I doubt I would have pursued it.
But I was influenced by his personality, as described by Porhen. At the time I read that book I was a musical mercenary and I was taken by his rejection of the business of music. I really admired that and it had an impact on my view of music and the music business.
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
There is no such thing IMO. And show me one person other than him that is nailing it.
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2.) Triplet picado, it's just on a few notes so it shouldn't be too difficult
As the all say.
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Do you have a different falseta by him
Please, choose and demonstrate since they are so easy. It is what I keep hearing about, but at the end of the day only certain Maestros I have seen execute his material correctly.
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 21:57:15)
chill guys , metal didnt understood that i gave you some more simple than this , i think.... [:D]
Stu -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 29 2024 22:03:43)
So hang on. You ask what our favourite groovy bulerias is?
So do you want just that? Or is the real question.... can you suggest some bulerias you can study?
To be honest I'm not even sure you deserve an answer! 🤣
You've said some pretty outrageous stuff in this thread.
Moraito doesn't swing?! 😂👊🍾 The sun isn't hot, snow isn't white etc etc😟
"Triplet picado, it's just on a few notes so it shouldn't be too difficult but still my picado isn't fantastic so I can't bet on it"
I've been practicing this for 20 years and still can't do it to the right level. So let's see it.
Anyway. Maybe English isn't your 1st language so maybe you're forgiven.
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 30 2024 0:23:07)
Living colour?
[:D]
rombsix -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 30 2024 3:15:15)
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playing this falsetas at 3:39
That is the forbidden falseta that we shall not play and that we shall try to wipe out of our memories.
Stu -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 30 2024 7:15:09)
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Do you have a different falseta by him or just about anybody you consider rhythmically difficult?
what was the Tomatito piece we did on here years ago as a challenge?
xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 30 2024 10:16:42)
La Ardila, alegrías with a drop D tuning
Stu -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 30 2024 11:43:28)
no, but strangely enough i was reading through that old challemge thread yesterday.
It was a bulerias i remember some talk of it being one of the hardest technically.
maybe it was a small challenge or informal. maybe rincones de loles?!! yes i think maybe that
try that metalhead
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chill guys
[:D] NO! [;)] like asking a church full of worshippers to chill after one of their gods was insulted in the church!
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 30 2024 13:04:55)
this is too easy.. i just need a weekend to achieve... go Metal you can do it
Estevan -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 30 2024 17:37:25)
¡Suerte!
Estevan -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 30 2024 17:49:54)
Moraíto's face at 1:58 is a condition to aspire to.
Ricardo -> RE: Which is your favorite groovy bulerias ? (Aug. 30 2024 18:47:49)
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ORIGINAL: metalhead
Will this work? Do you want me to play it? starting at 4:07
