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AndresK -> Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 27 2024 16:16:07)




silddx -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 27 2024 20:13:11)

This is my own problem of course, but I have not yet heard a rumba I've enjoyed. Would love to be realigned, but I'm not hopeful.



frhout -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 27 2024 20:42:03)

I wonder what pickup is Paco using.



Mark2 -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 27 2024 21:24:06)

I generally like rumba. I spent a lot of time trying to get this one under my fingers. So many tricky parts. I really like the riff at 3:00



I like the whole record. His playing is deceptive in that it's harder than it sounds IMO.


quote:

ORIGINAL: silddx

This is my own problem of course, but I have not yet heard a rumba I've enjoyed. Would love to be realigned, but I'm not hopeful.



Stu -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 27 2024 21:39:49)

quote:

This is my own problem of course, but I have not yet heard a rumba I've enjoyed. Would love to be realigned, but I'm not hopeful.


entre dos aguas?!?!?[:o]

Rio Ancho!??

Rumba improvisada!>!>![:-]

No?[:D]


Crema Catalana? Chicuelo?

honestly im with you really nigel! but one of those pacos must do a little something for you no!?



Manitas de Lata -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 28 2024 0:24:40)

what you dont like or dislike ? i have the same issue , still i find allways some that i do like



Ricardo -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 28 2024 14:14:43)

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ORIGINAL: silddx

This is my own problem of course, but I have not yet heard a rumba I've enjoyed. Would love to be realigned, but I'm not hopeful.


I still think this is a pretty strong flamenco sounding Rumba, and nothing technically nor musically inferior in this piece to any other palo he does:



And this "Tangos" is being treated more like a Rumba, especially the back up guitars.



Manitas de Lata -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 29 2024 1:38:07)

silddx




rombsix -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 29 2024 2:11:53)

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I wonder what pickup is Paco using.


https://www.dpamicrophones.com/instrument/4099-instrument-microphone?productId=2869&combinations=68%3A2987&wirelesssystem=&exeptionCategoryId=0&accessories=&wiredorwireless=&idList=3030



silddx -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 29 2024 12:09:12)

I quite liked some of Mark’s Paco Serrano vid.

I like Ricardo’s Enrique vid more.

I find the others too jolly, and I have never been fond of Latin rhythm, I know that’s possibly heresy. I seem to be drawn to the darker flamenco performances.



AndresK -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 29 2024 13:08:44)

Here at 10:17 a quite "dark" sounding flamenco piece as you said. It is one of my favourite pieces.

https://youtu.be/f-z9cm_0HR4?si=ogKT6_wbqwjFwKKv&t=617

It is a zambra from his Como Soy cd published in 2014, he calls it A Ti Lola

And here the cd version:



Manitas de Lata -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 29 2024 13:53:14)

stuff i heard of Paco Serrano have that tendencie with different palos , hes got a unique "style"



silddx -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 29 2024 14:04:00)

I love Jeronimo Maya, and that’s a beautiful piece. Thank you.



Ricardo -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 29 2024 14:58:28)

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find the others too jolly, and I have never been fond of Latin rhythm


Latin Musicans would not have a clue (or relate to) what Tomatito is doing with either one of his examples here, Rumba is not Latin at all. Perhaps you mean you don’t like Latin percussion instruments? Like they often impose the Cuban son or whatever with congas on top of the VERY EUROPEAN flamenco rumbas. Paco’s bass player in his final tours employed several Afro Cuban things into those concerts when he had a chance.

Rumba clave (Cuba)…xxXxXxxxXxxXxxxX. Repeat. Or XxxXxxxXxxXxXxxx. Repeat.
Rumba Española (Spain or France, etc.) …xxxXxxXx. Repeat.

Totally different feel. The son clave (also Cuba) fits a little better.

I actually have people come up to me weekly that are Latin and know salsa and a big etc., and ask ME “how do we dance to this???”, even famous gypsy kings stuff. Then these old ladies from spain appear and put their arms up in the air show everyone how it is done. It is quite humorous.

Same with other Spanish words that are confused between Latin America and Spain:Tango, Guajira, Seguidilla, etc. Same word, totally different musical meaning.



silddx -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 29 2024 17:12:41)

Ah, I thought rumba was from South America. My apologies. But I don't generally enjoy its vibe in its traditional application, at least I don't think I do.



Ricardo -> RE: Rumba patterns demonstrated by Paco Serrano (Aug. 30 2024 18:26:56)

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ORIGINAL: silddx

Ah, I thought rumba was from South America. My apologies. But I don't generally enjoy its vibe in its traditional application, at least I don't think I do.


The words “Rumba” and “Guajira” refer to music forms from Cuba (Central America not South). The idea of “Ida y vuelta” is that after Spain brought European music to Americas, it evolved its own elements via African Slaves and Native people from Mexico on down to Argentina, then returns to Southern Spain to get “flamencoized”. Only the song titles remain in the end. South America has completely different song forms from Mexico and Central America, so becareful generalizing. Typically it is by country, though all Music from the Andes mountains might have a similar flavor. Cumbia from Colombia, Tango from Argentina, Samba from Brazil, Merengue from DR, etc.



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